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Silver Age Hierarchy: Poll 2: 28th - 30th

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Silver Age Hierarchy - 27th to 30th  

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Chillax23

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Surely FF52 has to be cut - while a cool book it is a pure movie speculation book and is not more important than the other 29 books on the list, hell it shouldn't even be in the top 30. I still cannot understand how a book like FF52 beats out books like Flash 123 or ASM50 :screwy:

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Surely FF52 has to be cut - while a cool book it is a pure movie speculation book and is not more important than the other 29 books on the list, hell it shouldn't even be in the top 30. I still cannot understand how a book like FF52 beats out books like Flash 123 or ASM50 :screwy:

 

Within five years Black Panther will be one of the most popular characters in the MCU, and it will be much easier to understand. (thumbs u

 

-J.

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I think FF52s importance is being underappreciated. Black Panther is the first Marvel black hero. This is a pretty significant milestone and I do think that it only becomes more important with more screen time. ASM 3 is a cool cover and the first Octopus, to me, a relatively lame "animal" clone villain.

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I think FF52s importance is being underappreciated. Black Panther is the first Marvel black hero. This is a pretty significant milestone and I do think that it only becomes more important with more screen time. ASM 3 is a cool cover and the first Octopus, to me, a relatively lame "animal" clone villain.

 

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That book has only just begun to see siginificant price gains.

 

-J.

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

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I think FF52s importance is being underappreciated.

 

+1

 

That book has only just begun to see siginificant price gains.

 

-J.

 

In unrelated news, a Black Panther movie is in the works and the character has already appeared in a supporting role in Captain America Civil War.

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I think FF52s importance is being underappreciated.

 

+1

 

That book has only just begun to see siginificant price gains.

 

-J.

 

In unrelated news, a Black Panther movie is in the works and the character has already appeared in a supporting role in Captain America Civil War.

 

Yes, that is unrelated news... :boo:

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bronze johnny

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

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John

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

 

I completely agree - I don't understand how Flash 123 is left off the list of top 30 - it should be a top 15 book, it literally helped to shape the DC universe. Flash 105 is a great book and I think somewhere in the 15-20 range.

 

But the poll has spoken and somehow books like FF52, X-Men 4, ASM3, JIM85 etc. are now more "important" than Flash 123??? Don't get me wrong I think the poll is great, and has largely gotten it right so far, I just cannot understand Flash 123 being left off the top 30 list - it is mind boggling.

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

 

 

Flash 123 is a significant key that should not be underscored. However, Flash 105 started the first successful DC SA superhero run. The advent of the first SA superhero run that succeeded outside the Superman and Batman related books was one of the most significant events and achievements in the DC SA. Look at how long it took DC to give the Flash his own run after SC 4 came out in '56. Schwartz and company were meticulous in their approach. After all, any DC successful superhero titles during the 50s up to Flash 105 were either Superman or Batman (Wonder Woman of course had her continuing run during this period and she did succeed on her own but was a GA creation) "family" based books. With Flash 105, DC took the biggest step in forward, moving beyond the publisher's mainstay Golden Age base that continued through the 1950s after the DC superhero characters ended shortly after the Second World War. Comparing Flash 123 to 105 is in a way, assessing the Flash of Two Worlds- 105 is the beginning of an era where re-emerging DC superheroes travel through the SA without requiring the aid of Batman and Superman while 123 reminds us that the predecessors of these SA characters had their own successes without the Man of Steel and Caped Crusader during a prior great age of the superhero genre comic book. Without the success of Flash 105, SA readers and collectors growing up during that period might have experienced the Superman or Batman of One World...

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

 

I completely agree - I don't understand how Flash 123 is left off the list of top 30 - it should be a top 15 book, it literally helped to shape the DC universe. Flash 105 is a great book and I think somewhere in the 15-20 range.

 

But the poll has spoken and somehow books like FF52, X-Men 4, ASM3, JIM85 etc. are now more "important" than Flash 123??? Don't get me wrong I think the poll is great, and has largely gotten it right so far, I just cannot understand Flash 123 being left off the top 30 list - it is mind boggling.

 

The poll has spoken to? I'm with you on this one. I'm also a Marvel guy who understands the significance of Flash 123. That said, diversity among comic books and comic book collectors has grown since the 1970s. Plenty of young people from different racial and ethnic backgrounds have joined the ranks. Marvel and DC continue diversifying their respective universes. The Black Panther is Marvel's first Black Superhero which makes it a significant SA key.

 

 

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

 

I completely agree - I don't understand how Flash 123 is left off the list of top 30 - it should be a top 15 book, it literally helped to shape the DC universe. Flash 105 is a great book and I think somewhere in the 15-20 range.

 

But the poll has spoken and somehow books like FF52, X-Men 4, ASM3, JIM85 etc. are now more "important" than Flash 123??? Don't get me wrong I think the poll is great, and has largely gotten it right so far, I just cannot understand Flash 123 being left off the top 30 list - it is mind boggling.

 

The poll has spoken to? I'm with you on this one. I'm also a Marvel guy who understands the significance of Flash 123. That said, diversity among comic books and comic book collectors has grown since the 1970s. Plenty of young people from different racial and ethnic backgrounds have joined the ranks. Marvel and DC continue diversifying their respective universes. The Black Panther is Marvel's first Black Superhero which makes it a significant SA key.

 

 

In this era of "diversity" in comic characters and story lines, the Black Panther will be the standard bearer on the racial side of things at least as Marvel continues to push him to the front of both their movie and comic book universes.

 

Like it or not, in the times we are in now, FF 52 is a pretty big deal , and it will only become a bigger deal.

 

-J.

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X-Men 4. Spidey 3 and Flash 105 for me. If you think about it, that's actually SA Flash #5. meh...

 

Flash #105 was the first solo book awarded in the SA. If ASM #1 is a big deal partially because Spidey got his own book, Flash #105 blazed that trail years earlier.

 

Totally with you on X-Men #4, pure movie hype. Same with FF #52, it's just not on this list without the movies.

 

If this list were actually rating importance in the SA then Flash #123 makes the top 15, with a shot at top 10. If you like this season of the Flash TV show, that is where it started, but that hype gets overlooked completely.

 

First solo books awarded in the DC SA were Lois Lane and the Challengers of the Unknown. However, I agree with your point about Flash 105 being a major SA key- it's not just the 5th appearance of the Flash. 1959 is a major turning point in the history of the DC SA. The first reintroduced superhero was awarded his own book when Flash 105 hit the news stands. A wave of new DC superhero titles would follow- titles that were independent of the traditional DC Superman & Batman related titles.

 

It is for this historical reason and not any personal preference why Flash 105 has always been the more significant when compared to the later published issue 123. Long after the superficial hype generated from the tv show has come and gone, Flash 105 will still be the major Flash key after Showcase 4.

 

Best,

John

 

You're correct that Lois and Challengers came first. As a guy who collects mostly Marvel by a wide margin I usually overlook those books and forget that history. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

I do think you underestimate the importance of #123 though. As the first mention of Earth 2, this book had a huge influence on the course of the DC universe up to today. One could argue that the "Rebirth" storyline can even find its origins in the concept introduced in that issue. And I don't think the value or importance should be driven by the show; what I meant was that the show's second season storyline, right down to Earth 2 being mentioned by name, goes right back to that issue and is a further piece of evidence for its lasting importance. Flash #105 is important for the Flash, and as part of the trend toward reestablishing superheroes in the SA, but #123 had a more profound impact on the direction of the entire DC universe and comics in general (and again, this is coming from a predominantly Marvel collector).

 

I completely agree - I don't understand how Flash 123 is left off the list of top 30 - it should be a top 15 book, it literally helped to shape the DC universe. Flash 105 is a great book and I think somewhere in the 15-20 range.

 

But the poll has spoken and somehow books like FF52, X-Men 4, ASM3, JIM85 etc. are now more "important" than Flash 123??? Don't get me wrong I think the poll is great, and has largely gotten it right so far, I just cannot understand Flash 123 being left off the top 30 list - it is mind boggling.

 

The poll has spoken to? I'm with you on this one. I'm also a Marvel guy who understands the significance of Flash 123. That said, diversity among comic books and comic book collectors has grown since the 1970s. Plenty of young people from different racial and ethnic backgrounds have joined the ranks. Marvel and DC continue diversifying their respective universes. The Black Panther is Marvel's first Black Superhero which makes it a significant SA key.

 

 

In this era of "diversity" in comic characters and story lines, the Black Panther will be the standard bearer on the racial side of things at least as Marvel continues to push him to the front of both their movie and comic book universes.

 

Like it or not, in the times we are in now, FF 52 is a pretty big deal , and it will only become a bigger deal.

 

-J.

 

I like it J. This has been evolving since the first great Bronze Age of Diversity when characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther, Shang Chi, Red Wolf, etc, got there own books in the 1970s. It's a reflection of the more diverse America and the Silver Age comic book market is seeing the rise of FF 52 coincide with this.

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