Journey Into Mystery #65 - Different 10c Price Sizes ? 0

[VintageComics]

I'm not so good at this sort of thing but what would be very nice to see would be a chart of some sort that would nicely lay out each variant by issue number.

 

Including publication dates with all the variations may begin to show a pattern of how Goodman published these changes.

 

I find this conversation very interesting because a few weeks ago we were discussing 1st / 2nd / 3rd prints in the GA forum (specifically Marvel Comics #1 but it spilled over into other books) and if someone could find a proper theory as to how and when these pricing slugs were changed it may help understand how it was done in the GA as well.

 

 

[Get Marwood & I]

 

I think you're onto something here. I saw your Gunsmoke variant in the other post and have been pondering it. What is odd is that it's indicia says L Miller , not Thorpe & Porter. All online evidence suggests that Miller only did reprints and T & P were the sole distributors of Marvel originals. I'm planning to do some investigating on this and will report back. What is clear is that, as long as there is a cents priced Gunsmoke 63 without the L Miller indicia, then we have identified a new strand of variant. The debate would have to be what we call them . Really interesting stuff and, with the JIM example, a potential load of under the radar variants. I'll see what I can find out.

 

Thanks. It is definitely a newly discovered variant.

But yes, has anyone got another GS no.63 to show the indicia pls?

L Miller / T&P / Alan Class all shared printing and distribution resources over the 1950s and early 1960s. However, it is a good point. Unfortunately this is the only example I've seen so far - but I recall seeing stickered 9d cents comics previously.

 

 

I've got a cents Gunsmoke 63 on order so should be able to confirm the indicia status in the next few days. I'll then try out some more at upcoming fairs, although many dealers aren't too happy when you ask to look inside a book you don't intend to buy just for research. If we can find a few more we can start to build a picture.

[Get Marwood & I]

Two more links - this time to Tales To Astonish #16 - both lifted from Ebay, both 10c copies but with completely different fonts. Maybe they were applied by hand?

 

 

TTA 16

 

TTA 16 2

 

Would someone be able to do that compare thing?

 

The 1st copy is almost certainly a UK "original owner" copy. WE need to see the indicia.

 

Amazingly, a copy has just appeared on ebay showing the indicia with a Thorpe & Porter line.

 

T&P tta 16

[Get Marwood & I]

Naming conventions...?

 

ORIGINALS

Contents identical apart from price / date / indicia

 

Cents copy

Cents price variant (i.e. 15c, 30c or 35c)

Cents font variants (research needed)

Pence copy (i.e. 9d, 10d, later bronze Marvel & DC 8p, 9p, 10p etc)

Cents UK indicia (only GW no.63 so far)

 

"UK edition" is the term used by CGC - however they also use this on graded L Miller / Alan Class books (as below) so not consistent

 

There was another thread that had an early Golden Age New Fun with a pence price too!

 

BRITISH ORIGINAL REPRINTS

 

L Miller

T&P

Alan Class

Odhams

All 1st generation Marvel UK titles

 

 

I like it Ewan. I've never liked CGCs "UK Edition" myself. I prefer "Pence Copy ". If you call the US copies cents then you may as well call UK versions pence. My research only relates to the Marvel copies which all rolled off the presses together in the US at the same time, not reprints. I'll keep investigating and see if any other Cents copies with UK indicias turn up. If they do, and there are also versions without the UK indicia addition , then we have indeed happened across a new set of variants.

 

Until we have copies in our hands / internal scans, we'll need more research before we can call up font variants - it may be that they are the cents with uk indicias. .... all good fun

[Get Marwood & I]

Sorry Ewan, that should read YOU have discovered a new variant line. Credit where credits due!

[Get Marwood & I]

Two more links - this time to Tales To Astonish #16 - both lifted from Ebay, both 10c copies but with completely different fonts. Maybe they were applied by hand?

 

 

TTA 16

 

TTA 16 2

 

Would someone be able to do that compare thing?

 

The 1st copy is almost certainly a UK "original owner" copy. WE need to see the indicia.

 

Amazingly, a copy has just appeared on ebay showing the indicia with a Thorpe & Porter line.

 

T&P tta 16

 

 

I've just realised that TTA 16 has a 9d price variant. If there is a cents version without the T&P indicia line the there will be three versions:

 

Cents price / no T&P indicia line

Cents price with T&P indicia line

Pence price

 

At least......

[EwanUK]

I

I find this conversation very interesting because a few weeks ago we were discussing 1st / 2nd / 3rd prints in the GA forum (specifically Marvel Comics #1 but it spilled over into other books) and if someone could find a proper theory as to how and when these pricing slugs were changed it may help understand how it was done in the GA as well.

 

 

It is fascinating. Perhaps we can find evidence for a lot more Golden & silver-age variants.

 

BTW, this was the New Fun no.6 pence copy ("shilling copy" )

 

[EwanUK]

I like it Ewan. I've never liked CGCs "UK Edition" myself. I prefer "Pence Copy ". If you call the US copies cents then you may as well call UK versions pence. My research only relates to the Marvel copies which all rolled off the presses together in the US at the same time, not reprints. I'll keep investigating and see if any other Cents copies with UK indicias turn up. If they do, and there are also versions without the UK indicia addition , then we have indeed happened across a new set of variants.

 

Until we have copies in our hands / internal scans, we'll need more research before we can call up font variants - it may be that they are the cents with uk indicias. .... all good fun

 

Indeed - all good fun

But the "font" variant is clearly real - I'm betting it has an UK indicia inside

 

The standard T&P Marvel pence indicia is as below

more of a "stamp" tyoe (like the Miller one) rather than the TTA

 

[MrBedrock]

Clearly the one on the right is the 10 cent version while the one on the left is also the 10 cent version.

[porcupine48]

Richard,are you sire?

[VintageComics]

Clearly the one on the right is the 10 cent version while the one on the left is also the 10 cent version.

 

Your avatar says it all. Thank you.

[Get Marwood & I]

Ok, wish me luck - first attempt at posting images!

 

Tales To Astonish #16 Variants

 

9d Pence Copy

 

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10c Copy (Tall Font)

 

 

10c Copy (Tall Font) Indicia with T&P Distributor Line

 

 

Does anyone have a TTA 16 cents copy with no T&P indicia line?

[Get Marwood & I]

 

Here's a table I put together to make the TTA 16 variants clearer.

 

We have 3 confirmed variants so far. Could anyone who owns a copy check their indicia pages and let me know if I can add any more to the chart please (e.g. Tall Font with no T&P indicia line) ?

 

 

Cheers

[Get Marwood & I]

 

...updated summary for TTA 16

 

 

It's looking like all Cents copies include the T&P indicia line. If so, we're down to three variants only, and a question mark over why the font difference exists (if it is not related to copies run off for the UK market).

 

I'll keep digging.....

[EwanUK]

 

It's looking like all Cents copies include the T&P indicia line. If so, we're down to three variants only, and a question mark over why the font difference exists (if it is not related to copies run off for the UK market).

 

I'll keep digging.....

 

Great work!!!

 

I can't believe ALL the cents copies have the T&P indicia line

There are significant implications to that, if that's the case

 

Has a USA-only collector got an original owner copy of this book

 

Not wanting to be cynical, but I wouldn't trust your average ebayer's response without seeing a pic either

[Get Marwood & I]

 

 

Not wanting to be cynical, but I wouldn't trust your average ebayer's response without seeing a pic either

 

 

Yep, my own policy is always that it remains unproven until I've seen it myself or have photographic evidence.

[gadzukes]

This is a great thread. Keep it coming boys.

 

I like the new designations for the cent copies of "short font" & "tall font".

 

Do we now suspect most of the prehero marvels had short & tall fonts on the prices or is it just limited to a couple?

 

I think of great importance would be to know if TTA13 has short & tall fonts since that is such a key issue.

[Aman619]

Just a point that may be helpful if not already posted. If Atlas/Marvel already had the distribution deal in place for England, it would have been simple to overprinting the color covers in 4/C and then split print the cheaper B/W backs , most for America with the regular indicate, and a second batch exactly the same with the extra paragraph below it. No extra printing costs this way, just paper, which is cheapest.

 

This explains the books with and without the extra British distrib paragraph that have the same 10c on the cover

 

Im trying to understand the other issues, why there are different 10c looks. I can't think of any reason why American copies would have been printed twice... And even if they were, the 10c would not change unless it fell off and a new typeset 10c was replaced in a different font out of sheer indifference.

 

Unless they were printed in a different market, fronts and backs, and Atlas sent stats (or negatives) to other licensed publishers with the prices removed (just empty area where the US 10c was) ...Then, In the case of countries that also use 10c pricing but received a blank price materials to print from, they would have had to typeset it again, maybe in whatever font they had access to.

 

[nmtg9]

This is great thread.

 

CG at its best.

 

Let's hope someone can shed more light on this. I have never heard anyone talk about this before so it may be a significant discovery

[Get Marwood & I]

This is a great thread. Keep it coming boys.

 

I like the new designations for the cent copies of "short font" & "tall font".

 

Do we now suspect most of the prehero marvels had short & tall fonts on the prices or is it just limited to a couple?

 

I think of great importance would be to know if TTA13 has short & tall fonts since that is such a key issue.

 

Glad you like it Gadzukes. I only post the most obscure stuff I can find, heh heh. As it stands, JIM 65 and TTA 16 are the only font variants I've discovered so far but I plan to look much further into this. They may be one offs / unique. Keep watching...