Shill Alert2....

[deathlok]

The irony, of course, being that it was YOU and Rickdogg who engaged in the "I make more money than you do" pathetic display that we all witnessed earlier this week.

 

Not to mention the fact that aside from the "declaring it to be the end ..." comment (which doesn't apply to you because none of your posts are of any substance these days), this description is actually a pretty accurate description of you.

 

I made one post to Rick about how little I work, and that is a pathetic display in your eyes? Good grief, I hope you trial better than that.

 

I'm certainly glad you have been taking stock of my posts, since I deftly try to substantiate my posts with clutter to throw people like you off.

 

BSD indeed. Keep dreaming about how well liked you are around here. Like many of the other cowards, you would not be missed should you choose to stop posting. I have given up long ago wishing Arch would ban you.

 

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[FFB]

The irony, of course, being that it was YOU and Rickdogg who engaged in the "I make more money than you do" pathetic display that we all witnessed earlier this week.

 

Not to mention the fact that aside from the "declaring it to be the end ..." comment (which doesn't apply to you because none of your posts are of any substance these days), this description is actually a pretty accurate description of you.

 

I made one post to Rick about how little I work, and that is a pathetic display in your eyes? Good grief, I hope you trial better than that.

 

I'm certainly glad you have been taking stock of my posts, since I deftly try to substantiate my posts with clutter to throw people like you off.

 

BSD indeed. Keep dreaming about how well liked you are around here. Like many of the other cowards, you would not be missed should you choose to stop posting. I have given up long ago wishing Arch would ban you.

 

1/8 z

 

1/16 z

[MMMarvelous-migration]

This is just MMMarvelous!

 

 

 

Regardless of all this, you STILL owe Donut $100 from that bet you made with him.

 

There ya go. What do you mean when you say regardless of THIS? By THIS do you mean Flying Donut's shilling and then lying about it? Instead of trying to change the subject via lying like your buddy FD you should send a PM of apology to the newbie who outed FD for the cheat he IS that you and others scorned. Shameful. I guess lib liars have to watch each others backs.

 

I just had a stroke of genius!

 

You could "pay" FD the $100 by shilling his auctions!

 

 

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I'll leave now...

 

*looks around for that sarcasm gremilin*

 

Please post this wager that was made and how exactly I lost it instead of repeating what FD Kool-Aid drinker #1 said. BTW, I wouldn't lower myself to FDs level by SHILLING auctions on Ebay and lying about it afterwords. I just feel sorry for the abuse the newbie who outed FD took. Those who flamed him should apologize. That was just wrong. Finally, where is the thread with that list of people who should be blocked on Ebay? Flying Donuts user ID should go at the top of that list now.

[Ze-man]

I know what list your name should go to the top of.

 

Ze-

[october]

[MMMarvelous-migration]

That would be the "People that hate lying Ebay Shills like Flying Donut" list. Feel free to add my name to it.

[Ze-man]

 

 

Stop reading the boards.. and get back to your take home test....and dont forget to take your medicine too.

 

Ze-

[october]

 

 

Stop reading the boards.. and get back to your take home test....and dont forget to take your medicine too.

 

Ze-

 

It's like crack, or cigarettes or some other thing that's really addicting though....and a hell of a lot more fun than analyzing a mail fraud statute.

 

 

 

Goodnight then!

 

[FFB]

 

 

Stop reading the boards.. and get back to your take home test....and dont forget to take your medicine too.

 

Ze-

 

It's like crack, or cigarettes or some other thing that's really addicting though....and a hell of a lot more fun than analyzing a mail fraud statute.

 

More fun than writing a mediation brief too!

[Rickdogg]

The irony, of course, being that it was YOU and Rickdogg who engaged in the "I make more money than you do" pathetic display that we all witnessed earlier this week.

 

Not to mention the fact that aside from the "declaring it to be the end ..." comment (which doesn't apply to you because none of your posts are of any substance these days), this description is actually a pretty accurate description of you.

 

I was definitely being a jerk this morning and I thought it was funny on my end I was telling greggy and Death about it privately as more in fun, but I guess my finding of pleasure at the expense of others is a bit mean

[Rickdogg]

This is just MMMarvelous!

 

 

 

Regardless of all this, you STILL owe Donut $100 from that bet you made with him.

 

There ya go. What do you mean when you say regardless of THIS? By THIS do you mean Flying Donut's shilling and then lying about it? Instead of trying to change the subject via lying like your buddy FD you should send a PM of apology to the newbie who outed FD for the cheat he IS that you and others scorned. Shameful. I guess lib liars have to watch each others backs.

 

I just had a stroke of genius!

 

You could "pay" FD the $100 by shilling his auctions!

 

 

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....................................

 

I'll leave now...

 

*looks around for that sarcasm gremilin*

 

Please post this wager that was made and how exactly I lost it instead of repeating what FD Kool-Aid drinker #1 said. BTW, I wouldn't lower myself to FDs level by SHILLING auctions on Ebay and lying about it afterwords. I just feel sorry for the abuse the newbie who outed FD took. Those who flamed him should apologize. That was just wrong. Finally, where is the thread with that list of people who should be blocked on Ebay? Flying Donuts user ID should go at the top of that list now.

 

[FFB]

The irony, of course, being that it was YOU and Rickdogg who engaged in the "I make more money than you do" pathetic display that we all witnessed earlier this week.

 

Not to mention the fact that aside from the "declaring it to be the end ..." comment (which doesn't apply to you because none of your posts are of any substance these days), this description is actually a pretty accurate description of you.

 

I was definitely being a jerk this morning and I thought it was funny on my end I was telling greggy and Death about it privately as more in fun, but I guess my finding of pleasure at the expense of others is a bit mean

 

Sorry RD, Deathlok and I were just having fun with each other. I didn't mean any real harm with the comment. You probably didn't realize that when you read it, but Deathlok did.

[Rickdogg]

The irony, of course, being that it was YOU and Rickdogg who engaged in the "I make more money than you do" pathetic display that we all witnessed earlier this week.

 

Not to mention the fact that aside from the "declaring it to be the end ..." comment (which doesn't apply to you because none of your posts are of any substance these days), this description is actually a pretty accurate description of you.

 

I was definitely being a jerk this morning and I thought it was funny on my end I was telling greggy and Death about it privately as more in fun, but I guess my finding of pleasure at the expense of others is a bit mean

 

Sorry RD, Deathlok and I were just having fun with each other. I didn't mean any real harm with the comment. You probably didn't realize that when you read it, but Deathlok did.

 

I'm a crack. I missed the graemlin

[MMMarvelous-migration]

This is just MMMarvelous!

 

 

 

Regardless of all this, you STILL owe Donut $100 from that bet you made with him.

 

There ya go. What do you mean when you say regardless of THIS? By THIS do you mean Flying Donut's shilling and then lying about it? Instead of trying to change the subject via lying like your buddy FD you should send a PM of apology to the newbie who outed FD for the cheat he IS that you and others scorned. Shameful. I guess lib liars have to watch each others backs.

 

I just had a stroke of genius!

 

You could "pay" FD the $100 by shilling his auctions!

 

 

.....

 

 

.....

 

 

 

....................................

 

I'll leave now...

 

*looks around for that sarcasm gremilin*

 

Please post this wager that was made and how exactly I lost it instead of repeating what FD Kool-Aid drinker #1 said. BTW, I wouldn't lower myself to FDs level by SHILLING auctions on Ebay and lying about it afterwords. I just feel sorry for the abuse the newbie who outed FD took. Those who flamed him should apologize. That was just wrong. Finally, where is the thread with that list of people who should be blocked on Ebay? Flying Donuts user ID should go at the top of that list now.

 

 

[Gallinator-migration]

As hard as it was to read this entire thread, what with all of the animated GIFs, giant signatures and multiple quotes within quotes, and to wade through all of the vitriol (all reasons why I don't post here, and why I probably won't post again), it was all worth it to see Flying-Donut publicly exposed as the shilling, lying, disingenuous, sorry excuse for a seller that I know him to be (my own bit of venom, there). I was literally ROFLMFAO.

 

I am also amazed that even one person defended the man (other than Diesel) and/or his actions, however indirectly.

 

I usually don't make a habit of reveling in troubles of others, but this is worth an exception. Thank you to the kind observer who posted this thread on eBay.

 

See ya around, FD! Any reservations I had about my earlier judgment of your character have been expunged.

[MMMarvelous-migration]

All that is left is for the white castle eating blob to come defend FD's lying lib actions.

[blutobc]

That would be the "People that hate lying Ebay Shills like Flying Donut" list. Feel free to add my name to it.

 

I've got no sympathy for FD over his exposed actions...but you've made your point...move on. Now that your officially back don't let trolling be your only posts.

 

But if you do feel like only being an attack dog...then maybe you'll want to officially explain any connection you had with greggy's stolen ebay account last year and the accusations made back then against you by some on the boards. What's the truth? Will there be a kilty confession or a FD avoidance denial.

[whomerjay]

It's too early for this thread to die out. I just read it and missed all the fun. Allow me to throw some gasoline on the fire please.

 

This is an unbelieveable thread. Flying Donut got caught in multiple shills and lies. Very dissappointing to say in the least. Shilling is stealing as far as I am concerned.

 

This is news to me. I thought the problem with shilling is that it allows a seller to set a de facto reserve on a book without paying eBay the reserve fee of a buck or two. In other words, it is "eBay Reserve Fee Avoidance," not "STEALING." No one forced the bidder to bid higher. The bidder probably would have been willing to bid the same amount if the reserve had been set at the same level as the highest shill bid. Maybe not, but in most cases I would think so.

 

Please note that I am not defending shilling or saying it's ok. I just can't equate eBay reserve fee avoidance with stealing. They are not the same thing.

 

To make matters worse, it was one of the worst shill names he could have possibly used - it had his last name for God sakes. Who knows how long it has been going on, chances are it has happened before.

 

Agreed, agreed, 1,000 times agreed! Dan, when I first saw the pjcusimano link, I thought "No way, he's too smart for this!" And I also think it's likely that it has happened before.

 

Someone called him worthless, like what? A child molestor? An Enron executive? Give me a break. He is not worthless.

 

He made a mistake that he , initially, did not think it was a big deal. He could easily have been suspended from eBay but the ire he has faced in the forums should be enough.

 

He has apologized and offered a mea culpa. Time to move on and let him lick his well deserved wounds.

 

Personally, I would have liked a more contrite apology when he got caught. I was a little annoyed by Dan's tone as though he was the victim. Dan, you got caught. Take yer lumps.

 

I do not think I have ever done any business with Dan but I have seen quite a few of his posts. He has helped people out and participated in forum charities. Except for the recent transgression and the occasional lapse into Liberal nonsense..hehe; he has seemed to be stand up guy.

 

Yep. Dan has been a solid board member and I know that a lot of people here call him a friend. I don't know Dan well enough to call him a friend (though I have met him in person and consider him to be a good guy), but I recognize that he is generally a very positive contributor to these forums and enthusiastically helps people find books they need to fill out their collections.

 

To be honest, I am quite a bit more disappointed in Dan's lying about the shilling when he was first asked and his less-than-contrite mea culpa when faced with the undeniable evidence than I am about the fact that he avoided eBay reserve fees. (If I had a nickel for every time I've seen forum members ask other forum members to shill the ebay auctions they list in the marketplace, I'd have a bunch of nickels.) I suspect that the lying doesn't come from Dan being a "no good, lying, thieving sack of [#@$%!!!]," but more likely it was a gut reaction to concern that his board pals would catch him shilling his auctions. Dan cares what the people here think of him and was hoping that if he denied it, his standing as an old skool forum member would cause people to leave the issue alone. (It didn't. )

 

That doesn't make the lying ok, but I think it probably is a pretty accurate description of where the motivation to lie came from. Haven't any of you ever lied before when getting caught doing something wrong in the hope that the person you lied to would just drop the issue and leave it alone? I know I have. Ask my mom about all of the missing booze from her liquor cabinet during my high school years (and yes, THAT is "stealing" ). I took the booze and I lied like the devil when she asked me about it. I also claimed that I wasn't stoned out of my gourd at Christmas dinner in 1985. A bald-faced lie! I was baked like a potato!

 

So anyway, Dan avoided eBay reserve fees and Dan lied to us all about doing so, and then Dan reacted in a pissy way about getting caught. When balanced against the good that Dan has brought to the forum and the favors he's done for forum members over the last many years, I hardly think that the lying and BS response to being called onto the carpet cancels out ALL of the good and casts him down into the depths with the true thieves of the hobby.

 

When I see Dan at WW Chicago this summer, I will drink some wine with him like I did last year, razz him for a few hours about having shilled his auctions in the most inept way possible, probably give him a big, drunk man-hug and then will see him again the next year and do it all over again. Dan, you're a liar like the rest of us and I forgive you.

 

And for all of you holier-than-thou types who STILL want to set Dan on fire for what he did, I can only hope that one day Redhook gets a hold of your high school buddies and starts dishing the dirt.

 

OK, I am ready for my flame war now please. Step right up. <a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZSzeb008' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_7_19.gif' border=0></a>

 

It's good to see some common sense and civility emerge in this thread.

 

I've read through this thread and the biggest impression I come away with is the delight several board members take in vilifying FD with their holier-than-thou attitude and email muscles. And many are lurkers (or shills) with less than 20 posts. Clearly comics and these boards are important to FD and many seem proud about their abuse intended to ruin FD's passion (which is shared by many here).

 

I do not know Dan but it is obvious to me that the sum of his ebay transactions and contributions to these boards far outweigh this transgession. It is obvious that his business is more honest than that of most power sellers (almost all businesses,regardless of the integrity of the individuals involved, have some element of dishonesty if you analyze them closely enough) and there is no systematic attempt to screw buyers. The other thing to realize is that the more you sell or post the risk of incurring a problem or conflict goes up.

 

Moreover, the issue of shilling is not as black and white as some think. The idea that shilling is always stealing is absurd. In this case it is certainly not stealing. Not right, probably, but not stealing.

 

It is one thing to engage in banter on these boards and it is quite another thing to come on and viciously condemn someone without all the information (this happens all the time) or simply for satisfy your need to be punishing, vengeful, arrogant, or holier-than-thou, as opposed to saying something constructive about the core issue at hand.

 

Plus, it really pisses me off when I see posts, especially from lurkers (who probably sell little on ebay, and rarely post here because exposing their persona is risky) that are belligerent and judgemental. I'm willing to bet most would not be so bold in person. You want to come on here and condemn? Well tell us about yourself and what you do, and establish your moral authority to throw stones.

[the_Kingpin]

To lump everyone badly disappointed with the one or two whack jobs is silly.

 

And frankly,..you lost me with this one.

 

"Moreover, the issue of shilling is not as black and white as some think. The idea that shilling is always stealing is absurd. In this case it is certainly not stealing. Not right, probably, but not stealing. "

 

[drbanner]

It's good to see some common sense and civility emerge in this thread.

 

I've read through this thread and the biggest impression I come away with is the delight several board members take in vilifying FD with their holier-than-thou attitude and email muscles. And many are lurkers (or shills) with less than 20 posts. Clearly comics and these boards are important to FD and many seem proud about their abuse intended to ruin FD's passion (which is shared by many here).

 

I do not know Dan but it is obvious to me that the sum of his ebay transactions and contributions to these boards far outweigh this transgession. It is obvious that his business is more honest than that of most power sellers (almost all businesses,regardless of the integrity of the individuals involved, have some element of dishonesty if you analyze them closely enough) and there is no systematic attempt to screw buyers. The other thing to realize is that the more you sell or post the risk of incurring a problem or conflict goes up.

 

Moreover, the issue of shilling is not as black and white as some think. The idea that shilling is always stealing is absurd. In this case it is certainly not stealing. Not right, probably, but not stealing.

 

It is one thing to engage in banter on these boards and it is quite another thing to come on and viciously condemn someone without all the information (this happens all the time) or simply for satisfy your need to be punishing, vengeful, arrogant, or holier-than-thou, as opposed to saying something constructive about the core issue at hand.

 

Plus, it really pisses me off when I see posts, especially from lurkers (who probably sell little on ebay, and rarely post here because exposing their persona is risky) that are belligerent and judgemental. I'm willing to bet most would not be so bold in person. You want to come on here and condemn? Well tell us about yourself and what you do, and establish your moral authority to throw stones.

 

If I were to post again in this thread I would probably say something like this, good stuff!