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[DeadOne]

6 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

I don't think GPA can consider publically available third party sales data to constitute its own CI.

I always wondered if all the data used by GPAnalysis was publicly available. Maybe they consider the compilation and reporting of such data, in the manner that they do, to be proprietary?

[Ryan.]

7 minutes ago, DeadOne said:

I always wondered if all the data used by GPAnalysis was publicly available. Maybe they consider the compilation and reporting of such data, in the manner that they do, to be proprietary?

The aggregation algorithm and any of its brand features, certainly. The actual sales data, I imagine not. 

[gpanalysis]

Forum members are welcome to reproduce GPA data when discussing/selling books here. This has always been perfectly fine. Hope that clarifies what you're discussing.

[DeadOne]

2 minutes ago, gpanalysis said:

Forum members are welcome to reproduce GPA data when discussing/selling books here. This has always been perfectly fine. Hope that clarifies what you're discussing.

It answers my question. Thanks. 

[gpanalysis]

2 minutes ago, DeadOne said:

It answers my question. Thanks. 

No probs. All those T&Cs can be a pain in the a** to decipher. Really, don't copy large amounts of the site, use personally and share appropriately when discussing pricing. Just common sense stuff. When we have our new website up we'll reduce that T&C text and have it in plain regular speak. 

[Bomber-Bob]

1 hour ago, Ryan. said:

While on the subject, there seems to be a rise in fuzzy, distant and just plain half azzed pictures of books in the sales forums. 

Partly to blame is the new slab design. Scanning is difficult so you have to take a pic.  

[Bomber-Bob]

9 hours ago, Red84 said:

Then I propose that if a seller chooses to list a gpa price that the community be free to respond with additional gpa price quotes within the thread.

If someone cites gpa for a 3.0 most recent sale of $2500 then I should be able to respond in the thread that a 4.0 just sold for $2000.

If someone is going to pick and choose self-serving data then that disingenuous use of gpa should be called out in their sales thread.

I second this proposal. No new rules need to be introduced. Just common sense applied to a threadkrapping definition. If a seller chooses to open up the GPA discussion, then the community can respond. Keep it confined to GPA discussion. You can't say you're CR/OW book looks like burnt toast but you can say the last sale of a CR/OW book was X. 

[skypinkblu]

3 hours ago, gpanalysis said:

Forum members are welcome to reproduce GPA data when discussing/selling books here. This has always been perfectly fine. Hope that clarifies what you're discussing.

Thanks, George:) I was wondering if it would be a problem and I was just about to write to you and ask, then I saw your post:)

 

Personally, I'd consider it more in the "useful" information category. We wouldn't call it thread crapping when someone adds some history about a specific book, story or character? As long as it's not done in a nasty or belligerent manner.

Perhaps @Architecht  will chime in with his opinion, since his opinion is the one that counts.

[Bomber-Bob]

I always thought 'threadkrapping' was a Board courtesy. Is it actual a Rule ?  I don't see it in the Architect's list of Selling Rules.  I know I see a lot of 'silliness' in sales threads that seems to be accepted but sure seems like 'krapping' to me. I remember  years ago the Boards frowning upon a Seller advertising a book as 'upgradeable to X'. Now, it's normal advertising. BTW, doesn't bother me.  So what exactly constitues a thread 'krap' ?

Edited January 5, 2019 by Bomber-Bob

[MustEatBrains]

I don't like thread crapping.  Much rather someone PM the seller if they truly misrepresent something, or if you must, report the thread and let a mod decide.  I think it's also subjective, I've seen GPA used to quote a clear outlier last sale on the high side without denoting an average, or a higher graded copy selling for less on GPA than the lower graded one up for sale.  I don't particularly like it, but as far as I'm concerned it's really up to the person making the purchase to do thier due diligence and/or ask questions before pulling the trigger unless it's something so egregious like selling a reprint as an original which folks have called out.  

Regarding the one that was brought up re: page quality, I don't think it's appropriate to derail someones sales thread pointing out OW GPA sales vs. CR/OW sales.  Where does it end?  Maybe something sold high because the book had perfect centering, should this be brought up as well?   We're all entitled to our opinions however if we start going down this path of "chiming in" on peoples sales threads you'll just get more and more people that will avoid using the boards as a selling platform.

[Ryan.]

1 hour ago, MustEatBrains said:

if we start going down this path of "chiming in" on peoples sales threads you'll just get more and more people that will avoid using the boards as a selling platform.

Truth. 

[Bomber-Bob]

5 hours ago, MustEatBrains said:

I don't like thread crapping.  Much rather someone PM the seller if they truly misrepresent something, or if you must, report the thread and let a mod decide.  I think it's also subjective, I've seen GPA used to quote a clear outlier last sale on the high side without denoting an average, or a higher graded copy selling for less on GPA than the lower graded one up for sale.  I don't particularly like it, but as far as I'm concerned it's really up to the person making the purchase to do thier due diligence and/or ask questions before pulling the trigger unless it's something so egregious like selling a reprint as an original which folks have called out.  

Regarding the one that was brought up re: page quality, I don't think it's appropriate to derail someones sales thread pointing out OW GPA sales vs. CR/OW sales.  Where does it end?  Maybe something sold high because the book had perfect centering, should this be brought up as well?   We're all entitled to our opinions however if we start going down this path of "chiming in" on peoples sales threads you'll just get more and more people that will avoid using the boards as a selling platform.

Hey, I agree and I did not, out of respect for the 'krap', bring it up in his thread. I brought it up here as an 'I hate it when a Seller does this' comment. I'm not so sure I completely agree with the buyer beware comment though. I always thought the Boards were regarded as a friendlier, no antics, type of atmosphere. I do understand your point of where does the 'krapping' end.  I still don't understand how all the silly stuff is allowed. Sometimes it takes three pages to get to the actual merchandise being sold because of all the banter. How is this not 'krapping' ?

[MustEatBrains]

12 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Hey, I agree and I did not, out of respect for the 'krap', bring it up in his thread. I brought it up here as an 'I hate it when a Seller does this' comment. I'm not so sure I completely agree with the buyer beware comment though. I always thought the Boards were regarded as a friendlier, no antics, type of atmosphere. I do understand your point of where does the 'krapping' end.  I still don't understand how all the silly stuff is allowed. Sometimes it takes three pages to get to the actual merchandise being sold because of all the banter. How is this not 'krapping' ?

I agree there is a lot of useless banter in some threads and not all the sellers fault to be fair.  I see this more as useless bumping but it is not directly challenging the seller. As for the buyer beware I stand by this, the flip side is seller beware too.  GPA is only as good as the data it receives and we know much is not reported.  I wonder how people would feel if someone posted in a sellers thread  where GPA is quoted that sales on another platform that does not report to GPA were higher than GPA, I have seen this many times.  There are just so many variables like PQ, centering, color strike etc. that can come into play.  Many threads with raw books don’t even denote PQ some don’t even provide a back cover scan.  I’m guilty of this myself as I scan the front and bc from PC then it become a PIA to open the book take a pic with iPhone and post that up as well.   I just don’t agree with what was being proposed that if a piece of GPA was quoted by a seller then it can become a free for all for others to post additional GPA data points or specifics about a book to justify a higher/lower price point in the sellers thread.  That just becomes a slippery slope IMO.  Bottom line I just think both parties should have equal responsibility.

I do respect everyone’s opinion on this though.

[skypinkblu]

6 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I always thought 'threadkrapping' was a Board courtesy. Is it actual a Rule ?  I don't see it in the Architect's list of Selling Rules.  I know I see a lot of 'silliness' in sales threads that seems to be accepted but sure seems like 'krapping' to me. I remember  years ago the Boards frowning upon a Seller advertising a book as 'upgradeable to X'. Now, it's normal advertising. BTW, doesn't bother me.  So what exactly constitues a thread 'krap' ?

Check out

#7, here. I believe that's the broad description of what not to do, that includes thread k's;)

[Park]

6 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Hey, I agree and I did not, out of respect for the 'krap', bring it up in his thread. I brought it up here as an 'I hate it when a Seller does this' comment. I'm not so sure I completely agree with the buyer beware comment though. I always thought the Boards were regarded as a friendlier, no antics, type of atmosphere. I do understand your point of where does the 'krapping' end.  I still don't understand how all the silly stuff is allowed. Sometimes it takes three pages to get to the actual merchandise being sold because of all the banter. How is this not 'krapping' ?

The “banter” part of sales threads is something that there needs to be more of around here. 

People continually bring up “community” but the last few years there has been a distinct lack thereof. Yes, there have been threads to help people out but community doesn’t mean just that. There are sooo many people here who have met each other in real life and developed real friendships and in the past, that is what that banter has been. People that really know each other goofing and having a good time in a sales thread.

There are many reasons for the lack of community here but banter in a sales thread should be smiled upon and encouraged. There were so many sales threads 5,6, 7 years ago that had as many posts with people talking to each other as actual books posted. And why not? A community should have people talking and goofing and “leaving some meat on the bone”. You want to know part of the reason why Foolkiller’s or October’s or CD4ever’s or many others threads had so much activity and sales in them? This is a huge part of the reason why. I agree regarding some earlier posts about the psychology behind wanting to not miss out and all of that as well as solid pricing but the camaraderie and inclusiveness of sales theeads in the past was a huge draw to the sales forums and these boards in general.

I am not a fan of all the rules in place and the black and white enforcement is absurd. Is it needed? Probably but adding more or questioning the need for banter in a sales thread is moving further and further away from any type of community that these board had or could possibly have again at some point.

If you didn’t feel like reading all that, I used 1500 words to say lighten up.

Edited January 6, 2019 by Park
Fat fingers

[Ryan.]

Heavy. 

[Park]

41 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

Heavy. 

I’ve missed Unfunny Ryan.

[Ryan.]

8 minutes ago, Park said:

I’ve missed Unfunny Ryan.

I'm still here. As lame as ever. Lamer even! 

[Park]

22 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

I'm still here. As lame as ever. Lamer even! 

I am sure you are as lame as ever.

Don’t ever change.

Unless you can get lamer still.

[Ryan.]

I accept your challenge.