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[Albert Tatlock]

On 9/4/2021 at 8:06 PM, LowGradeBronze said:

No unsold returns process that I am aware of in the UK

Here is a UKPV (printed price on left is blotted out, but no month in number box identifies it as such).

Stamped with T & P 10d price, but it is from 1963, when the cover price was 9d, so the only reasonable explanation is that it is an unsold return put back into circulation at least a year later.

[Tghutcn]

I just found this again while searching for something else and found it interesting I thought I’d see if anyone knows any of the history behind it 

[gadzukes]

On 9/6/2021 at 5:53 PM, Tghutcn said:

I just found this again while searching for something else and found it interesting I thought I’d see if anyone knows any of the history behind it 

I don't know anything about this cool book, but I have to say.... when the HULK punches something, the sound effect is definitely NOT "ZOK!"

Edited September 7, 2021 by gadzukes

[Garystar]

On 9/6/2021 at 10:53 PM, Tghutcn said:

I thought I’d see if anyone knows any of the history behind it 

These are the UK versions of the Lancer books published in USA in 1966. There are three in the UK series. The UK versions are slightly abridged having less pages, and the adds for other books/comics are different. 

[Still Only 35c]

On 9/7/2021 at 4:43 PM, Garystar said:

These are the UK versions of the Lancer books published in USA in 1966. There are three in the UK series. The UK versions are slightly abridged having less pages, and the adds for other books/comics are different. 

So these are actually true UK editions rather than true UK variants which are true variants of the original ¢ copies.

What do the interiors look like? I might need to hunt these out as those covers are so retro and copies that they are actually awesome! 

[Garystar]

On 9/7/2021 at 10:32 AM, Every Day A Story said:

So these are actually true UK editions rather than true UK variants which are true variants of the original ¢ copies.

What do the interiors look like? I might need to hunt these out as those covers are so retro and copies that they are actually awesome! 

UK and USA books reprint Hulk and TTA stories in B&W with sometimes different panel layout to fit a page. 

 

I think edition is a better word than variant for these because although they are similar there is more than just a price variation. The UK obviously have different covers, and shows different publisher;

The UK book has less pages, last story page below, followed by that page of USA book showing more story following;

The UK book had 3 pin ups and advertising copy for other books which aren’t in USA book;

whilst USA book has some advertising which isn’t in UK book;

The Spider-Man and Thor books are similar format with similar differences. 

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Garystar

[Redshade]

On 9/7/2021 at 11:48 AM, Garystar said:

UK and USA books reprint Hulk and TTA stories in B&W with sometimes different panel layout to fit a page. 

 

I think edition is a better word than variant for these because although they are similar there is more than just a price variation. The UK obviously have different covers, and shows different publisher;

The UK book has less pages, last story page below, followed by that page of USA book showing more story following;

The UK book had 3 pin ups and advertising copy for other books which aren’t in USA book;

whilst USA book has some advertising which isn’t in UK book;

The Spider-Man and Thor books are similar format with similar differences. 

 

I agree that these are not variants. Fewer pages, different cover and the clincher of course; different publisher. These are more akin to the Alan Class reprints.

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Redshade

[Garystar]

On 9/7/2021 at 6:49 PM, Redshade said:

I agree that these are not variants. Fewer pages, different cover and the clincher of course; different publisher. These are more akin to the Alan Class reprints.

and unlike UKPV comics these are different print runs - the USA books are copyrighted 1966 and the UK ones 1967. 

[gadzukes]

The heritage AF15 7.0 is only at $57,600 (including BP) with 2 hours left.

I'm sure it will finish higher but...... I really thought it would be higher than that.  With my rose colored glasses on, I thought it would break $100,000 but I think it's going to fall way short of that.

A ComicLink US AF15 7.0 went for $191,000 recently...... I thought that was going to pull the Pence copies higher.

[Albert Tatlock]

On 9/8/2021 at 2:53 PM, gadzukes said:

The heritage AF15 7.0 is only at $57,600 (including BP) with 2 hours left.

I'm sure it will finish higher but...... I really thought it would be higher than that.  With my rose colored glasses on, I thought it would break $100,000 but I think it's going to fall way short of that.

A ComicLink US AF15 7.0 went for $191,000 recently...... I thought that was going to pull the Pence copies higher.

From recent Compal results:

Avengers #4, a CGC 6.0 pence copy selling here for £1940.00 illustrated that the disparity between cents and pence copies of key books is continuing to decrease. In fact a cents copy CGC 6.0 sold at Heritage in April this year for $2640.00, almost exactly the same money!

[Get Marwood & I]

On 9/8/2021 at 2:53 PM, gadzukes said:

The heritage AF15 7.0 is only at $57,600 (including BP) with 2 hours left.

I'm sure it will finish higher but...... I really thought it would be higher than that.  With my rose colored glasses on, I thought it would break $100,000 but I think it's going to fall way short of that.

A ComicLink US AF15 7.0 went for $191,000 recently...... I thought that was going to pull the Pence copies higher.

A lot can happen in two hours though.

We know the pence copies will have a much smaller group of interested parties than the cents. Maybe those with the deepest pockets are waiting for a stand alone census highest copy. $191K is a hell of a lot of money to slap down on a book type that has historically been the poorer cousin, and which has - even now - a significantly narrower resale market than its cents counterpart. If the current bidders are speculators, I understand the hesitancy to bid it to within cents comparable prices. There's a big difference between $3K books and books in the hundreds of thousands.

We'll see what happens in an hour and a bit, but maybe we need to see the buyers who really understand what it is, want it for their own collection, and are damn rich. A very small group, I would have thought. 

Tick tock....

[Get Marwood & I]

While we're on the subject, it's about time that CGC tidied up the census so that the UKPV AF15 copies sit with the Cents ones as is the case with all other Cents/Pence entries. Their August / September split separates them and, to the unwitting, gives the impression that there are either no UKPVs, or that the books were printed separately.

[gadzukes]

On 9/8/2021 at 10:22 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

While we're on the subject, it's about time that CGC tidied up the census so that the UKPV AF15 copies sit with the Cents ones as is the case with all other Cents/Pence entries. Their August / September split separates them and, to the unwitting, gives the impression that there are either no UKPVs, or that the books were printed separately.

I've never understood why the census separates these 2 comics.  

Is AF15 the ONLY pence variant that gets treated this way???  Or are there other examples?

[gadzukes]

On 9/8/2021 at 10:17 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

A lot can happen in two hours though.

$191K is a hell of a lot of money to slap down on a book type that has historically been the poorer cousin,

I definitely wasn't expecting $191k to be slapped down on the Pence copy.  I just was hoping to see this 7.0 Pence rise up over $100k.

By the way..... no matter what happens..... this AF15 pence copy will be historic because it will be the highest price ever realized for a Marvel Pence copy (I'm assuming no other Pence has sold for more)

[gadzukes]

1 hour left in the Heritage auction for the AF15 pence

If it stays at $57,600 I personally think it's a steal and the buyer will be VERY happy.

[Get Marwood & I]

On 9/8/2021 at 3:34 PM, gadzukes said:

I've never understood why the census separates these 2 comics.  

Is AF15 the ONLY pence variant that gets treated this way???  Or are there other examples?

It's because both copies have a September indicia, but the cents copy has an August cover date. The pence copy has the cover date removed. So CGC use the cover date for the cents, and the indicia for the pence. Given that AF15 is arguably the most sought after comic in the world, you'd think they'd sort that one out. 

On 9/8/2021 at 3:38 PM, gadzukes said:

I definitely wasn't expecting $191k to be slapped down on the Pence copy.  I just was hoping to see this 7.0 Pence rise up over $100k.

By the way..... no matter what happens..... this AF15 pence copy will be historic because it will be the highest price ever realized for a Marvel Pence copy (I'm assuming no other Pence has sold for more)

That sort of underlines the possible reluctance - someone is about to pay the most for a pence copy ever. So there will be nerves....

[gadzukes]

On 9/8/2021 at 10:53 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

That sought of underlines the possible reluctance - someone is about to pay the most for a pence copy ever. So there will be nerves....

Understandable...... well, this moment will "move the bar" a little, or hopefully a lot..  

[Get Marwood & I]

On 9/8/2021 at 4:04 PM, gadzukes said:

Understandable...... well, this moment will "move the bar" a little, or hopefully a lot..  

I'd pay what needed to be paid, if I had the money. Knowing my luck though, I'd pop my bid in with moments to spare and get a 500 error.

[gadzukes]

AF15 pence is at $81,000

Live bidding starts soon

[Get Marwood & I]

On 9/8/2021 at 4:54 PM, gadzukes said:

AF15 pence is at $81,000

Live bidding starts soon

I'm not familiar with the Heritage bidding process Gad - when do we find out how much the damn thing sold for?