Paddy_McShillihan Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Robot Man said: What??? They press your book to fix their crappy holder problems? What if you don't want your book pressed? Especially if it wasn't a problem when you sent it in. This is not acceptable to me. No I sent this book to be pressed and slabbed ... whether they pressed it again to fix I dunno .. good thing it's not a grail or something Edited March 30, 2017 by Paddy_McShillihan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschmidt Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Robot Man said: What??? They press your book to fix their crappy holder problems? What if you don't want your book pressed? Especially if it wasn't a problem when you sent it in. This is not acceptable to me. Good thing they're doing no such thing, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 12 hours ago, mschmidt said: The "creep engine" only applies to the 1st generation of CGC's newest slabs - the ones that did not have an inner well, but rather had the books floating in-between 2 mylar sheets. Those are the books that CGC have been re-holdering for free over the last year or so. In the current version of CGC's slab (the one with an inner well), there's no more pressure on the book than there was in the previous generation holder - there's no creep engine at work in those slabs. Actually, the final determiner of whether a creep-engine effect has occurred is not technically what generation of holder the book has resided in but whether the book, at the time of slabbing, was wave-free, and after some measure of time later was found to have developed the waviness in question. Again, no older CGC slabs, no CBCS slabs and no PGX slabs have been associated with this anomaly as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I had a stack of pre code to send in for my personal collection. After reading this I guess they are better left raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet said: Actually, the final determiner of whether a creep-engine effect has occurred is not technically what generation of holder the book has resided in but whether the book, at the time of slabbing, was wave-free, and after some measure of time later was found to have developed the waviness in question. Again, no older CGC slabs, no CBCS slabs and no PGX slabs have been associated with this anomaly as far as I know. But the creep engine idea was predicted on the fact that the old new slabs applied pressure mainly on the edges of the book to hold the book in place. This edge pressure with a lack of center pressure, in addition to the lose mylar sheets was causing the waves. The idea was 100% built around the idea of pressure. The new new case does not apply any pressure to the books so the theory does not apply here. I could see an inner well that was too small, or sealed incorrectly causing a wave, but that is a different issue, not the creep engine effect. It has been said that the new inner well are smaller, and that may be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 On 3/31/2017 at 8:39 AM, drotto said: But the creep engine idea was predicted on the fact that the old new slabs applied pressure mainly on the edges of the book to hold the book in place. This edge pressure with a lack of center pressure, in addition to the lose mylar sheets was causing the waves. The idea was 100% built around the idea of pressure. The new new case does not apply any pressure to the books so the theory does not apply here. I could see an inner well that was too small, or sealed incorrectly causing a wave, but that is a different issue, not the creep engine effect. It has been said that the new inner well are smaller, and that may be an issue. I accept what you're saying about the newest slab not having the construction that is associated with the creep engine. In my particular example, here's what I'm working with...a newest generation of slab (having a well) containing a book that is exhibiting the characteristic waviness associated with the creep engine AND the grader's notes NOT mentioning any waviness whatsoever. This would lead one to at least consider that the waviness was not present when the book was graded and slabbed, and therefore occurred afterward while the book remained incased. Could a too-small well be the cause? Certainly, but that situation has never come up before as far as I know. You'd think a too-small well would be patently obvious right when the book was put into it. My next move is obviously to contact CGC and see if this is something that has come up before and if they will re-slab with a larger-welled case. I appreciate the input that everyone has provided, I'm glad we have a forum like this to hash these things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Finally got a better camera, hope these show up "well" enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizards2 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 that wavy gravy puts my head in a whirl...., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feder241 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I recently received a book that was submitted for pressing also that came back with waves in the slab that absolutely did not have waves prior to submitting. Will try to post pics later. It was for a magazine sized comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy_McShillihan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 On 2017-04-03 at 11:20 PM, Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet said: Finally got a better camera, hope these show up "well" enough... Was this book pressed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 15 hours ago, feder241 said: I recently received a book that was submitted for pressing also that came back with waves in the slab that absolutely did not have waves prior to submitting. Will try to post pics later. It was for a magazine sized comic. If it was recent then I assume the slab is the current with-well type. If I may ask, does there seem to be adequate space in the well for the book, or does it seem like (as is the case with mine) the well is just too narrow and the book may be being squeezed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just now, Paddy_McShillihan said: Was this book pressed ? Hi Paddy, I'm not sure how I would know if it was. CGC slabs do not (evidently) disclose if books encased in them have been pressed, and I've only had the book for a few weeks. The grader's notes also don't mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy_McShillihan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet said: Hi Paddy, I'm not sure how I would know if it was. CGC slabs do not (evidently) disclose if books encased in them have been pressed, and I've only had the book for a few weeks. The grader's notes also don't mention it. Oh ok ...so you never pressed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy_McShillihan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 So they're coming back with waves being pressed and not .. you could tell the inner well with the one I had with waves was tight against book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paddy_McShillihan said: Oh ok ...so you never pressed it Correct. In your experience, have pressed books sometimes developed this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy_McShillihan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Only had the one bad wavy book thus far .. it was pressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Paddy_McShillihan said: Only had the one bad wavy book thus far .. it was pressed I couldn't tell from your scans if your book seems to be squeezed into its slab. Does the well seem too narrow for your book also? I got a response from CGC and they told me to send my book back to them and write on the Re-Holder Submission Form "Back Cover Waves". Now, what they didn't say is that this is a mistake that they are correcting. Right at the moment I'm actually not sure whether they are treating this as addressing a problem caused by a too-small well, or are they just basically saying "the guy's not happy with his slab so tell him to send it in and get it re-slabbed". Problem is, if it's the latter they may very well put the book into a slab with the exact same size well and the squeezing problem is not resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy_McShillihan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet said: I couldn't tell from your scans if your book seems to be squeezed into its slab. Does the well seem too narrow for your book also? I got a response from CGC and they told me to send my book back to them and write on the Re-Holder Submission Form "Back Cover Waves". Now, what they didn't say is that this is a mistake that they are correcting. Right at the moment I'm actually not sure whether they are treating this as addressing a problem caused by a too-small well, or are they just basically saying "the guy's not happy with his slab so tell him to send it in and get it re-slabbed". Problem is, if it's the latter they may very well put the book into a slab with the exact same size well and the squeezing problem is not resolved. the inner well did seem tight in there ... yea I did same thing .. put please fix waves on reholder sub form Attn : customer service - it came back looking a bit better but I could still find the waves slightly when I looked took about 2 weeks Keep your receipt from shipping - you'll get that back too Edited April 5, 2017 by Paddy_McShillihan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feder241 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 21 hours ago, Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet said: If it was recent then I assume the slab is the current with-well type. If I may ask, does there seem to be adequate space in the well for the book, or does it seem like (as is the case with mine) the well is just too narrow and the book may be being squeezed? It's hard to tell. Here are some pics: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 58 minutes ago, feder241 said: It's hard to tell. Here are some pics: Sure looks a lot like mine although my waves are narrower. I can't imagine anything else causing this besides the books being squeezed into wells that aren't large enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
