BuraddoRun Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I watched the episode today and really enjoyed it. I really need to start watching them live! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Dino and Jordan are super dudes for doing the show, and Bill Cox is super awesome for producing and organizing the show, but let's get back to the order of business....Al Gofa! $100: https://inkyknuckles.com/al-gofa/dark-angels-of-darkness-page-114 Now $500! https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1717997&GSub=215219 Noob19, Lee B. and Twanj 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob19 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 How long does one need to keep a newly acquired piece before relisting it at a higher price for it not to be a "flip"? Asking for a friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee B. Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, lobrac said: Dino and Jordan are super dudes for doing the show, and Bill Cox is super awesome for producing and organizing the show, but let's get back to the order of business....Al Gofa! $100: https://inkyknuckles.com/al-gofa/dark-angels-of-darkness-page-114 Now $500! https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1717997&GSub=215219 You are following Al Gofa art sales?!? I am impressed. lobrac and cloud cloddie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post comix4fun Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 11:35 AM, GreatEscape said: Recently, Heritage sold TWO of my auction wins via "Make an offer" for 50% and 80% more than I paid before the art arrived at my home-- is that any different than a dealer? Granted, I got to share in the resale but the overall effect to the end buyer is the same. So, I'm not quite sure how I should feel about the quick dealer mark-ups but probably in no position to cast stones. You're being far too gracious....purchasing from heritage and having someone make an offer, unsolicited, to you right afterwards is akin to someone catching up to you in the parking lot and begging you to sell the piece to them. As opposed to you buying a piece at an estate sale or auction and setting up a folding table on the sidewalk outside and just doubling (or tripling) the purchase price in full view of the seller and before the ink on the receipt from your original purchase is dry. So, I appreciate you thinking you're not in a position to cast stones...even if you TOTALLY are. You're a good egg. Will_K, cloud cloddie, MyNameIsLegion and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Noob19 said: How long does one need to keep a newly acquired piece before relisting it at a higher price for it not to be a "flip"? Asking for a friend... I generally consider anything relisted within a year a flip. The comic art version of short term vs long term capital gains. Lol Edited April 7, 2021 by cloud cloddie Twanj, Noob19 and vodou 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 9/1/2020 at 9:13 PM, cloud cloddie said: Somebody got a discount waiting for open market. 13K, to 16K, to Clink 8601. Man, this piece just can’t find a home. Coming up for sale again for the 4th time in a year. https://comics.ha.com/itm/-this-item-has-been-entered-into-our-system-and-is-now-going-through-the-imaging-and-describing-process-further-details-will-be-added-before/p/7244-20001.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116 vodou, Twanj and lobrac 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 hours ago, cloud cloddie said: Man, this piece just can’t find a home. Coming up for sale again for the 4th time in a year. https://comics.ha.com/itm/-this-item-has-been-entered-into-our-system-and-is-now-going-through-the-imaging-and-describing-process-further-details-will-be-added-before/p/7244-20001.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116 That’s what happens when an artist leaves out the cleavage. BuraddoRun and wurstisart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said: That’s what happens when an artist leaves out the cleavage. Lol. She is a teenager there, so probably the right move. RBerman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joefixit2 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Sold on CL in June 2020 for $726 then sold on Heritage last week for $385. Guess that's a reverse flip cloud cloddie and The Voord 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malvin Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, joefixit2 said: Sold on CL in June 2020 for $726 then sold on Heritage last week for $385. Guess that's a reverse flip It might have sold for at least 1 bid more had I realized it was up for auction. It was on the back of my mind but wasn't chasing it. Would have at least bid one or 2 more from that. Malvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 hours ago, malvin said: It might have sold for at least 1 bid more had I realized it was up for auction. It was on the back of my mind but wasn't chasing it. Would have at least bid one or 2 more from that. Malvin What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post batman_fan Posted April 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rick2you2 said: What is it? An eye in a cornfield Edited April 8, 2021 by batman_fan BuraddoRun, RBerman, Rick2you2 and 4 others 1 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 A shout-out to this thread by CAF maestro Bill Cox at the 2 hour 23 minute. But the point of this thread is to not call out pieces "flipped" into a public auction with no reserves, where they will land at a final bid price wherever the market takes them...or (sadly) shill bids take them, as we've seen in the past with a known dealer and his consignments at Heritage Auctions. Oh, and if you're annoyed by this thread or dislike it or think there is too much whining here, then stop reading it. But I guess since it's gotten over 123K views at this point, I guess it's not going away anytime soon. hmendryk, MyNameIsLegion, vodou and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud cloddie Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, lobrac said: A shout-out to this thread by CAF maestro Bill Cox at the 2 hour 23 minute. But the point of this thread is to not call out pieces "flipped" into a public auction with no reserves, where they will land at a final bid price wherever the market takes them...or (sadly) shill bids take them, as we've seen in the past with a known dealer and his consignments at Heritage Auctions. Oh, and if you're annoyed by this thread or dislike it or think there is too much whining here, then stop reading it. But I guess since it's gotten over 123K views at this point, I guess it's not going away anytime soon. I appreciate everything Bill does for this hobby, but seeing as how half his YouTube videos (and many threads here) seem more about the price of art than art itself, it’s pretty disingenuous calling out a flipping thread. Ignoring the fact that flipping definitely contributes to all these record prices is basically just gaslighting. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - I have no problem with people flipping. Heck, I’ve bought a few of the pieces that have come up in this thread. Do I find some of these flips comical? Sure - the same way I find regular pie in the sky prices on dealer sites comical. And there’s always a bit of schadenfreude watching a piece sit that was specifically bought as a flip, that could’ve been happy elsewhere in a collection. But what’s more whiny to me is pretending this hobby exists in a bubble. Twanj, Lee B. and John E. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob19 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/7/2021 at 2:20 PM, cloud cloddie said: I generally consider anything relisted within a year a flip. The comic art version of short term vs long term capital gains. Lol Just to go a little deeper on this, what if one puts up for auction a recently received commission that's underwhelming... Is that a "flip"? Or is it necessary to hold it for a year...? Again, asking for a friend... Edited April 8, 2021 by Noob19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Noob19 said: Just to go a little deeper on this, what if one puts up for auction a recently received commission that's underwhelming... Is that a "flip"? Or is it necessary to hold it for a year...? Again, asking for a friend... flips are attempts to make money. if you find a commission is not up to your standards and decide to sell it, that does not in and of itself smell of a flip now what are you pricing it at? John E., Noob19 and cloud cloddie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cloud cloddie Posted April 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Noob19 said: Just to go a little deeper on this, what if one puts up for auction a recently received commission that's underwhelming... Is that a "flip"? Or is it necessary to hold it for a year...? Again, asking for a friend... A flip, to me, is buying a piece with the sole intent to resell. Nothing wrong with that. You see a piece come up that’s ridiculously cheap - buy it. Sell it. Make some money and buy something you like more. That aspect of the hobby doesn’t much interest me, but I’d be lying if I said resell price doesn’t sometimes factor in to my purchasing decisions. I don’t know anybody that wants to lose money if they want/need to sell. Except for commissions - I’ve luckily been happy with most of them, but those I go into expecting to lose money if I ever decided to sell. But yeah, there’s lots of other reasons to ‘flip’. Buyer’s remorse. Spreading yourself too thin financially. In your case, getting a piece that doesn’t meet your expectations. At the end of the day, anybody who owns art can do what they like with it. Edited April 8, 2021 by cloud cloddie Noob19, dichotomy, John E. and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voord Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 hours ago, batman_fan said: An eye in a cornfield It's the Thetan from the OUTER LIMITS episode, 'Architects of Fear'. It's a 'Watchmen' seed story cloud cloddie, batman_fan, Rick2you2 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 hours ago, The Voord said: It's the Thetan from the OUTER LIMITS episode, 'Architects of Fear'. It's a 'Watchmen' seed story Did you watch anything else? Ever? cloud cloddie and The Voord 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...