sfcityduck Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, Wayne-Tec said: But from an investment perspective, it's shaky ground to see collectors investing top-dollar into stories they rarely, or barely even read. From an "investment perspective," in today's market, I don't think it matters if someone has read the interior of the comic or not. To the extent that a comic book can properly be called an "investment," as opposed to a "speculation," the value is not derived from the contents or the quality of the book. It is derived from the perceived desirability and rarity of the book, and increasingly really of the cover, and you don't need to read the contents of Fantastic 3 or Suspense 3 to get a sense of the "hype" which is driving the reputation of the book. In fact, you are better off ignoring the book and reading this board. "Collectors" can be very irrational and changeable, which is "investing" in comics is a speculative enterprise. Knightsofold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 hours ago, sfcityduck said: Do you know any "average, big time spenders" who are as you describe? Poor wording on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 hours ago, sfcityduck said: From an "investment perspective," in today's market, I don't think it matters if someone has read the interior of the comic or not. To the extent that a comic book can properly be called an "investment," as opposed to a "speculation," the value is not derived from the contents or the quality of the book. It is derived from the perceived desirability and rarity of the book, and increasingly really of the cover, and you don't need to read the contents of Fantastic 3 or Suspense 3 to get a sense of the "hype" which is driving the reputation of the book. In fact, you are better off ignoring the book and reading this board. "Collectors" can be very irrational and changeable, which is "investing" in comics is a speculative enterprise. I understand where you are coming from and agree, to an extent. But I would never say reading the interior doesn't matter, just that the lack thereof appears to be becoming more prevalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsofold Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I collect Schomburg Timely WWII books and have no idea what's on the inside nor do I care. In the case of Schomburg Timely WWII "classic covers" how does my not caring about the interiors matter at all? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Knightsofold said: I collect Schomburg Timely WWII books and have no idea what's on the inside nor do I care. In the case of Schomburg Timely WWII "classic covers" how does my not caring about the interiors matter at all? Just curious. One collects whatever they enjoy, and to that end, it wouldn't matter so long as the purchases are worth your while. But these are "comic books", not just "comic covers." So to be unfamiliar with all of the interior is to be unfamiliar with 32 of the 33 wraps (96.9% of the book), cover included. Naturally, the cover wrap carries more weight than most story wraps, but you get the idea. What if I spent $X on a first printing copy of Dracula, but never read the novel itself? If owning it made me happy regardless, it's a worthwhile endeavor. I think the more we know about what we're buying, the more we have to appreciate. Owning a guitar used by Jimi Hendrix in-studio would be very cool. But being very familiar with the depth of of his musical catalog, knowing the songs he recorded using that very guitar...that would add so much more. Edited July 20, 2017 by Wayne-Tec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 On 7/14/2017 at 11:17 PM, circumstances said: I still personally prefer a Marvel Comics 1 to a Cap 1 today. Especially an October. Value aside. Just personal preference. There's no place for personal preferences on these boards circumstances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 When is someone going to post Bob Over (the hill ) Street's 2017 GA Hierarchy ? jabats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Overstreet still has AA 16 at #4. I personally love the ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said: Overstreet still has AA 16 at #4. I personally love the ranking. I took a quick look at Overstrret's Top 100 when I was in the LCS today. Although AA 16 is still staying in the #4 spot, it looks Batman 1 has now moved into the Top 5 ahead of Marvel Comics 1. And Mitch is not going to be happy about this, but it looks like Cap 1 dropped 1 spot since Action 7 moved ahead of it into the #7 spot. Edited July 21, 2017 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman2006 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said: Overstreet still has AA 16 at #4. I personally love the ranking. Personally, I'd put Cap #1 above it. And personally I would rank Flash #1 and AA #16 much closer together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, lou_fine said: I took a quick look at Overstrret's Top 100 when I was in the LCS today. Although AA 16 is still staying in the #4 spot, it looks Batman 1 has now moved into the Top 5 ahead of Marvel Comics 1. As it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 The 2017 OSPG has Cap #1 in 2.0 at $21,000. How much would a blue label 2.0 sell for at auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Wayne-Tec said: The 2017 OSPG has Cap #1 in 2.0 at $21,000. How much would a blue label 2.0 sell for at auction? $21,000 according to ospg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wayne-Tec said: The 2017 OSPG has Cap #1 in 2.0 at $21,000. How much would a blue label 2.0 sell for at auction? The Cap 1 doesn't really bother me that much as it's just absolute dollars we are talking about. It's the Cap 3 which he still has valued significantly lower than Cap 2, when everybody in the marketplace (except for poor old Bob himself) knows that Cap 3 has a higher market value than Cap 2 and it has been that way for years now. At least he should get the relative values lined up properly. Edited July 21, 2017 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, G.A.tor said: $21,000 according to ospg! Rick, What's the thought process and the AA 16 ranking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Chicago Boy said: Rick, What's the thought process and the AA 16 ranking ? Bob didn't pay attention to the entire market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderturtle Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, G.A.tor said: $21,000 according to ospg! , if that's the case the 2.5 on cl is a ripoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Spiderturtle said: 1 hour ago, G.A.tor said: $21,000 according to ospg! , if that's the case the 2.5 on cl is a ripoff At $95K for that fugly clearly overgraded 2.5 copy, that is not the real world either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said: 1 hour ago, G.A.tor said: $21,000 according to ospg! Rick, What's the thought process and the AA 16 ranking ? 13 minutes ago, G.A.tor said: Bob didn't pay attention to the entire market. +1 Nevertheless, this book is only going to slowly drift down the Top 100 Chart over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 No secret I'm a fan of Tec 38. Ranking at 23 in the 2017 OSPG To low ? To high ?? Just right ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
