seanfingh Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, mschmidt said: Friends & family paypal payment to some random dude on Facebook Why not risk the whole amount to save 3%? It seems like a sound policy to me. Timmay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FN-2199 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 19 hours ago, NoMan said: I'm no Paypal expert, but is the moral of the story here to never use Friends and Family? I believe I've bought some stuff here on the sale forum and they asked I used Friends and Family (not sure why? Why?) and it turned out fine. I use Friends & Family... when I buy something from Friends & Family. Even when customers offer to use F&F without me asking, I still send them an invoice so they are covered. That's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I dont even give my friends and family friends and family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, kav said: I dont even give my friends and family friends and family How about with your friends' families or your family's friends? kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sqeggs Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 8:43 PM, ADAMANTIUM said: I'm not sure but maybe family and friends via papal doesn't incur fees? Either way I've always used the service's rendered..or in exchange for services .. I think that is the safe one, correct? You can get a refund on that one ? But you have to pay 4% extra to get the correct amount....maybe family and friends doesn't have fees but doesn't get you any protection? I ask since I'm a noob when it comes to paypal... I've used it to pay for CGC SS, though I never thought that I could have been doing it wrong As a buyer, you don't pay a fee either way. As a seller, PP charges you a fee for the regular PP but not for the F&F PP because the F&F PP is intended for sending funds among F&Fs not for buying and selling. As a buyer PP (in principle) covers you against shenanigans if you use regular but not if you use F&F. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepatkm Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Sqeggs said: As a buyer, you don't pay a fee either way. As a seller, PP charges you a fee for the regular PP but not for the F&F PP because the F&F PP is intended for sending funds among F&Fs not for buying and selling. As a buyer PP (in principle) covers you against shenanigans if you use regular but not if you use F&F. Yes-- as a buyer you also pick up fees when sending money directly. Especially outside of ebay or on this site, Most of the time the fee is on the buyer paying on this site... (sketches and such) ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, nepatkm said: Yes-- as a buyer you also pick up fees when sending money directly. Especially outside of ebay or on this site, Most of the time the fee is on the buyer paying on this site... (sketches and such) Yeah I went to PayPal and checked. When you send money for goods and services you have to send enough for the Paypal fees to the facilitator for a sketch or even SS. So that when they get their money they subtract the fees and they get paid. I was just making sure, but I did it right. Cuz you're right what I was talking about is just sending money for goods and services not an invoice... Or a purchase on credit or such... thanks!! nepatkm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepatkm Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said: Yeah I went to PayPal and checked. When you send money for goods and services you have to send enough for the Paypal fees to the facilitator for a sketch or even SS. So that when they get their money they subtract the fees and they get paid. I was just making sure, but I did it right. Cuz you're right what I was talking about is just sending money for goods and services not an invoice... Or a purchase on credit or such... thanks!! Yeah ... Ends up being about 3.5% more added on to your total. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall-Crawler Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 In this particular case, I believe they had done business before without a hitch (does that qualify them as "friends"?) but all it takes is one bad turn...As we can see...Yes, the "victim" shares some responsibility but it still does not negate the fact that they have been ripped off. And yes, I agree, you should pay PayPal's fees for using their service as well. Had they paid the goods and service route, we may not be having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 31 minutes ago, Wall-Crawler said: In this particular case, I believe they had done business before without a hitch (does that qualify them as "friends"?) but all it takes is one bad turn...As we can see...Yes, the "victim" shares some responsibility but it still does not negate the fact that they have been ripped off. And yes, I agree, you should pay PayPal's fees for using their service as well. Had they paid the goods and service route, we may not be having this conversation. He did say this "THE JUNK BOOKS HE SENT ME. THERE WAS TWO BOOKS IN THERE THAT HE OWED ME FROM A APRIL DEAL". But yes, that certainly doesn't negate getting ripped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighRadArt Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) On 8/5/2017 at 4:47 PM, NoMan said: I'm no Paypal expert, but is the moral of the story here to never use Friends and Family? I believe I've bought some stuff here on the sale forum and they asked I used Friends and Family (not sure why? Why?) and it turned out fine. I've been asked here a few times as well and always decline. Mainly because it's against board rules and there's no recourse to get your money back. Also, PayPal has been known to take the FF option away if it's being abused. I didn't know who David was but I do now. Thanks. Edited August 8, 2017 by HighRadArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall-Crawler Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) On 8/4/2017 at 11:57 PM, sd2416 said: I was following that mess on fb. Looks like he came back, pleading his case. Then he archived the group and shut it down He was a person_without_enough_empathy The group has been unarchived...Apparently he is still the "owner" but not "involved"...There is a video posting "explaining" the status quo (why do this FB guys love doing videos in their cars?)...Not sure if the original postings about the scamming have been scrubbed or not. CGC Comics Club (Facebook) Edited September 8, 2017 by Wall-Crawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnboxingTreasures Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 If I can do anything to assist anyone in recovering funds let me know. This person has berated me and attacked me personally over petty subjects and I'd personally like to see him in jail for felony theft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMan Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Says it's a closed group. Seems like there's a bit more unhinged folks in this hobby then say Leica cameras or Japanese wrist watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd2416 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 18 hours ago, Wall-Crawler said: The group has been unarchived...Apparently he is still the "owner" but not "involved"...There is a video posting "explaining" the status quo (why do this FB guys love doing videos in their cars?)...Not sure if the original postings about the scamming have been scrubbed or not. CGC Comics Club (Facebook) I dont see the scamming posts. imagine that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall-Crawler Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sd2416 said: I dont see the scamming posts. imagine that Nope. I also wonder about the "ethics" of a group being "owned" by a (alleged?) scammer but not "operated" by him. Seems calculated, wait for the 'heat' to die down then open it back up 'under new management'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 What I don't like is when a customer offers you F&F in exchange for you to lower the asking price. They try to use it as leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I think I'm turning cold as I age. My heart goes out to these people...then I read "I sent payment via Friends and Family". Suddenly, ALL compassion from me goes flying out the window. If you're aware of the risks of using Friends and Family outside of the intended purpose, don't be surprised or go crying to anyone when you get scammed. If you're unaware of the risks, then what the heck are you doing using a service you don't understand? It seems simple, but the allure of saving 3% is apparently irresistible to some because this same story keeps happening over and over and over and over... I have people offer to send me payment via Friends and Family and I always politely decline. Using goods and services allows me to print a shipping label directly through paypal and the tracking gets attached to the transaction automatically so the buyer is always aware of what's going on. For most transactions, that convenience alone is worth the 3% paypal charges; let alone the protections should something go wrong. FN-2199 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd2416 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/9/2017 at 0:28 PM, Wall-Crawler said: Nope. I also wonder about the "ethics" of a group being "owned" by a (alleged?) scammer but not "operated" by him. Seems calculated, wait for the 'heat' to die down then open it back up 'under new management'. Same thing I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
