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the comic book question of the day thread
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thunsicker

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4 hours ago, Ryan. said:

When will the Walking Dead bubble burst?

 

58 minutes ago, entalmighty1 said:

Here's a question:

Do "pedigree collections" really add value to books for the majority of collectors?  Or do most collectors not even know/care what these collections are?

 

52 minutes ago, fatninja said:

Maybe you should start pulling the HPB stickers off books when you sell them to me?  

 

46 minutes ago, greggy said:

Why do you sell so many porn comics?

 

12 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said:

why do you hate porn so much

I'm lost.  Which is the question of the day?

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4 hours ago, entalmighty1 said:

Here's a question:

Do "pedigree collections" really add value to books for the majority of collectors?  Or do most collectors not even know/care what these collections are?

I think it likely depends on the era the collector is interested in?Personally,i've no interest in say the Don and Maggie ped.I do love and have a decent collection of copper,and to a lesser extent bronze..but that pedigree wouldn't add any value to me.I actually had to ask boardie Silver Surfer what it was a few years ago.With my interest and focus mostly on precode and golden age books now,a Church ,Allentown or Cosmic Aeroplane certainly would.

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1 hour ago, entalmighty1 said:

Here's a question:

Do "pedigree collections" really add value to books for the majority of collectors?  Or do most collectors not even know/care what these collections are?

I would hope that most collectors know pedigree books usually sell for a premium price...

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4 minutes ago, The Lions Den said:

I would hope that most collectors know pedigree books usually sell for a premium price...

Yeah, but it makes no sense to me.  Just because a series of books were all original owner, why should it get some special pedigree annotation.  Now, if you were to tell me something was authenticated as "Original Owner, Stan Lee Pedigree" or "Jim Lee Personal Collection" then yeah, I could see that adding value.  But I honestly don't get why value is attributed to "San Francisco Pedigree".  It's the same book as any number of other ones on eBay or auction sites except for the fact that it's OO, high grade, large collection, and old.  I'm sure you could find the same set of requirements out there somewhere, just not all in one place.  What happens when a pedigree book gets split up at auction?  It's no longer original owner.  You know where it came from originally, but the book is the same to me.  If I can find a similarly graded book elsewhere for less, I'll take it.  I personally have no special attachment towards pedigree premiums.

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4 minutes ago, ExNihilo said:

Yeah, but it makes no sense to me.  Just because a series of books were all original owner, why should it get some special pedigree annotation.  Now, if you were to tell me something was authenticated as "Original Owner, Stan Lee Pedigree" or "Jim Lee Personal Collection" then yeah, I could see that adding value.  But I honestly don't get why value is attributed to "San Francisco Pedigree".  It's the same book as any number of other ones on eBay or auction sites except for the fact that it's OO, high grade, large collection, and old.  I'm sure you could find the same set of requirements out there somewhere, just not all in one place.  What happens when a pedigree book gets split up at auction?  It's no longer original owner.  You know where it came from originally, but the book is the same to me.  If I can find a similarly graded book elsewhere for less, I'll take it.  I personally have no special attachment towards pedigree premiums.

In order to get the pedigree designation they need to be uniformly higher grade. You are buying the best of the best, standout examples. Certain pedigrees have certain characteristics. Some are noted for their structural integrity, some for their cover colors, some for their page quality, etc.While some non pedigrees can be as excellent as a Pedigree, most are not. Open up a Mile High and it smells like it just came out of the cedar closet. Open up a Curator and you will be blinded by the snow white pages. If you like and enjoy Domino's pizza, that's fine but I would rather pay more and get something better. 

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1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said:

In order to get the pedigree designation they need to be uniformly higher grade. You are buying the best of the best, standout examples. Certain pedigrees have certain characteristics. Some are noted for their structural integrity, some for their cover colors, some for their page quality, etc.While some non pedigrees can be as excellent as a Pedigree, most are not. Open up a Mile High and it smells like it just came out of the cedar closet. Open up a Curator and you will be blinded by the snow white pages. If you like and enjoy Domino's pizza, that's fine but I would rather pay more and get something better. 

It’s actually hard to say if pedigrees actually go for more than a comparable book without the pedigree.  How many non-pedigree books can compare with the top pedigrees (at least for GA pedigrees). As you say most pedigrees have that something special.  Snow White pages, deep cover colors,  flawless presentation.  I think what @ExNihilo is getting at is it is those qualities that the pedigrees have that brings their value, not the fact that it once belonged to Edgar Church, George Olshevsky, or James Hilton.

 

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30 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

 I think what @ExNihilo is getting at is it is those qualities that the pedigrees have that brings their value, not the fact that it once belonged to Edgar Church, George Olshevsky, or James Hilton.

Good point. For instance, I like books with fresh white pages if I can get them. I don't just specifically look for pedigree books, but I know what to expect if I purchase a White Mountain copy. And it does seem as if there are other folks out there that specifically seek these books out and will pay more for them when they're available. I also appreciate a good story, and as a collector I can appreciate it even more when a book comes from a collection with a good story...

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29 minutes ago, thunsicker said:

I think what @ExNihilo is getting at is it is those qualities that the pedigrees have that brings their value, not the fact that it once belonged to Edgar Church, George Olshevsky, or James Hilton.

 

Correct.  If there's a pedigree copy of Our Army at War #100 CGC 9.0 w/ White pages, and a non-pedigree'd copy also 9.0 W, those books are the same value to me.  I don't attribute any additional value to it, but I can understand how some people would.  I think a pedigree book comes under additional scrutiny (as does the entire collection).  It just feels like an added assurance into the quality of the book you are buying.

I think it's a case of "to each their own".  My views are shaped by my age and financial limitations.  The book, contents, and condition of the book are more important to me than where it came from and who owned it before.  I don't know who James Hilton and George Olshevsky are.  And I only know the name Edgar Church by way of the Mile High Collection.  Beyond that, I don't know what they did or why they're famous (I suspect they're old comic book creators from the Golden Age?).  I also suspect that a dwindling number of collectors 50 years from now will recognize those names as well.  But like I said, if you told me Stan Lee had a collection, I might pay a premium on the book knowing that Stan owned it, but again cost would be my primary limiting factor.

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2 hours ago, ExNihilo said:

I don't know who James Hilton and George Olshevsky are.  And I only know the name Edgar Church by way of the Mile High Collection.  Beyond that, I don't know what they did or why they're famous (I suspect they're old comic book creators from the Golden Age?). 

Interesting stuff, actually. It appears there are a number of noteworthy people with the name James Hilton, the most well-known one is the author of the book Lost Horizon. I'm not sure if this fellow had anything to do with comics, however. George Olshevsky was a graduate of MIT and had a personal collection of all the major Marvel titles. He indexed them all back in the 1970's and 80's, and has provided noteworthy updates to other titles over the years as well. Edgar Church was a comic collector and artist. He kept thousands of periodicals in his home for use as references for his art (he apparently did illustrations for phone book advertisements). The Mile High collection is listed as the most valuable comic collection in history...  :banana:

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