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GreatCaesarsGhost

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18 minutes ago, cheetah said:

Did you ask Matt if the pages could be reattached?  I know from experience that this can be done in some cases.

I did ask. Matt says they can’t. 

I don’t know the mechanics of this, why sometimes they can and why sometimes they can’t 

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lou_fine

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3 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:
22 minutes ago, cheetah said:

Did you ask Matt if the pages could be reattached?  I know from experience that this can be done in some cases.

I did ask. Matt says they can’t. 

I don’t know the mechanics of this, why sometimes they can and why sometimes they can’t 

I guess it's a different case if the staples were never attached to the pages in the first place.  (shrug)

Remember the infamous Church copy of Boy Comics 17 where it went from an original CGC 3.0 graded copy up to a CGC 73.5 graded copy before finally settling into a CGC 9.0 slab, all while retaining its blue label at the same time.  That also had something to do with staples that were never attached in the first place and then simply attached for a big upgrade.  hm

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5 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

I did ask. Matt says they can’t. 

I don’t know the mechanics of this, why sometimes they can and why sometimes they can’t 

I think it is a matter of how the paper tests around the staple.  Sometimes there is a flap that the staples can be pinched down onto.  Sometimes there is a hole.

As a note to the perils of pressing, detached center folds happen to me in about 1% of GA press jobs.  About half could be fixed.

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cheetah

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16 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

I guess it's a different case if the staples were never attached to the pages in the first place.  (shrug)

Remember the infamous Church copy of Boy Comics 17 where it went from an original CGC 3.0 graded copy up to a CGC 73.5 graded copy before finally settling into a CGC 9.0 slab, all while retaining its blue label at the same time.  That also had something to do with staples that were never attached in the first place and then simply attached for a big upgrade.  hm

Was that the one that had no staples to begin with but showed up later correctly stapled?

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21 minutes ago, cheetah said:
38 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

I guess it's a different case if the staples were never attached to the pages in the first place.  (shrug)

Remember the infamous Church copy of Boy Comics 17 where it went from an original CGC 3.0 graded copy up to a CGC 73.5 graded copy before finally settling into a CGC 9.0 slab, all while retaining its blue label at the same time.  That also had something to do with staples that were never attached in the first place and then simply attached for a big upgrade.  hm

Was that the one that had no staples to begin with but showed up later correctly stapled?

Most probably that's the one.  (thumbsu

All I remember is when Borock came onto these boards here after days of angst and in order to clarify the controversy that was stirring and running rampant at the time, gave us the following statement:

"Disassembly and reassembly of a comic book in and of itself does not constitute restoration"  :screwy:

I believe it was somewhere along those lines and as per usual, the typical retroactive way by force that we find out about CGC's grading and restoration standards, instead of having them proactively and properly disseminated to the collectors and marketplace.  And like the whole undisclosed pressing controversy that came to light a few months just prior to this, it unfortunately opened the floodgates even wider to much more artificial undisclosed manipulation of the books.  :frown:  :censored:

 

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42 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

Most probably that's the one.  (thumbsu

All I remember is when Borock came onto these boards here after days of angst and in order to clarify the controversy that was stirring and running rampant at the time, gave us the following statement:

"Disassembly and reassembly of a comic book in and of itself does not constitute restoration"  :screwy:

I believe it was somewhere along those lines and as per usual, the typical retroactive way by force that we find out about CGC's grading and restoration standards, instead of having them proactively and properly disseminated to the collectors and marketplace.  And like the whole undisclosed pressing controversy that came to light a few months just prior to this, it unfortunately opened the floodgates even wider to much more artificial undisclosed manipulation of the books.  :frown:  :censored:

 

The real rule is if they can't identify it when the book is in hand, then it must be okay.  If they don't see it but someone finds out after the fact, then it is definitely okay.  There is no chance they will endure another trimming debacle.

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GreatCaesarsGhost

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5 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:

Totally called it via PMs several weeks ago on the ComicLink pair of 3.0s (Detective 36 and 37) on account of the tape.

10K for 37 and 12K for 36

Market has spoken. Tape, no thanks.

You were right! The Bat 1 has tape all over the place to the point I wouldn’t want it. Still, it managed to go for 3 x Guide

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33 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

You were right! The Bat 1 has tape all over the place to the point I wouldn’t want it. Still, it managed to go for 3 x Guide

I think it’s safe to say that Bats 1 has pulled away from any discussion of being neck and neck with Cap 1.  Bats 1 is the #4 book in the hobby 

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19 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:
53 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

You were right! The Bat 1 has tape all over the place to the point I wouldn’t want it. Still, it managed to go for 3 x Guide

I think it’s safe to say that Bats 1 has pulled away from any discussion of being neck and neck with Cap 1.  Bats 1 is the #4 book in the hobby 

You should be careful of how you phrase your opinions on these boards here.  :gossip:

After all, Mitch who is a huge supporter of Cap 1 just might see your comments and decide to give you a good :makepoint:  :makepoint:  :makepoint:  here until your head really hurts.  lol

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2 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

You were right! The Bat 1 has tape all over the place to the point I wouldn’t want it. Still, it managed to go for 3 x Guide

I agree, the Batman #1 CGC 1.5 had tape the entire length of the spine and sold for a record price.  So I'd say no, the jury's still out on tape.  It really depends on the book and how many buyers there are for it at any given moment.  If I want the book, I don't really care about tape.  That's the thing about GA, you don't have many (or sometimes more than one) chances with certain books in certain grades and so you have to be open minded to the books available to you.  You never know when another copy is going to show up and what the price point will be when that happens.  This can shift depending on multiple copies being available in a short period of time, but there's no hard and fast rule here.

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