Ken Aldred Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Certainly a big fan myself of Romita's grittily-shaded Bronze Age art. One of the masters. batman_fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 13 hours ago, Beige said: Everyone doesn't hate moderns - I'll 100% agree Marvel and DC have made some shocking comics in the last 20 yrs BUT. How about these for a counterbalance from other publishers? 100 Bullets Alias The Boys DAYTRIPPER - for me, the best modern written to date Planetary The Strain Transmetropolitan Y-The Last Man Early Walking Dead There are others - but give these a read and see what you think! Yep... Preacher Stray Bullets Criminal The Wicked + the Divine Sandman Paper Girls Hellblazer Bone Fables Saga American Virgin Scalped We Stand on Guard (BKV with Steve Skroce!) and so many more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) Basically, read a few Image titles to dispel the illusion that all modern comics are terrible. Some great books there. Edited February 11, 2019 by Ken Aldred KPR Comics, Prince Namor and ComicConnoisseur 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylath Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ken Aldred said: Basically, read a few Image titles to dispel the illusion that all modern comics are terrible. Some great books there. Indeed, Top Cow especially puts out really great titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) Anybody go back and re-read classics when they are older like Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man Watchmen and Sandman? The last time I read these I think I was like age 11 to 13. lol. I think I am going to go back and re-read the classics of the 1980s and see if they hold up to an adult mind and it`s not just nostalgia fueling my love for them as being better than modern comics. Anybody else want to join me in my experiment in re-reading Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man, Watchmen and Sandman as adults to see if they are up to it compared to modern comics? Edited February 11, 2019 by ComicConnoisseur 1950's war comics and FoggyNelson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said: Anybody go back and re-read classics when they are older like Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man Watchmen and Sandman? The last time I read these I think I was like age 11 to 13. lol. I think I am going to go back and re-read the classics of the 1980s and see if they hold up to an adult mind and it`s not just nostalgia fueling my love for them as being better than modern comics. Anybody else want to join me in my experiment in re-reading Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man, Watchmen and Sandman as adults to see if they are up to it compared to modern comics? You'll find more expositional dialogue the further you go back. The titles you've mentioned aren't too bad in comparison to my recent re-read of some of Don McGregor's Bronze Age work; a benchmark for extreme, persistent overwriting in older comics. The Alan Moore titles are probably the most densely-written of your selection, with Watchmen being the most memorable to me. Edited February 11, 2019 by Ken Aldred Prince Namor and ComicConnoisseur 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ken Aldred said: You'll find more expositional dialogue the further you go back. The titles you've mentioned aren't too bad in comparison to my recent re-read of some of Don McGregor's Bronze Age work; a benchmark for extreme, persistent overwriting in older comics. The Alan Moore titles are probably the most densely-written of your selection, with Watchmen being the most memorable to me. How were those Black Panther and Killraven runs of his? I got both his Black Panther and Killraven runs on my Kindle but haven't read them yet. Is Don McGregor`s style like Chris Claremont as in wordy? Edited February 11, 2019 by ComicConnoisseur 1950's war comics and FoggyNelson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said: How were those Black Panther and Killraven runs of his? I got both his Black Panther and Killraven runs on my Kindle but haven't read then yet. Is Don McGregor`s style like Chris Claremont as in wordy? Claremont is wordy, but I still enjoy most of his X-Men work from the 70s through to early 90s. One of my all-time most significant comics writers. McGregor's prose is much more purple and, while the stories are good, they can be a bit of a chore to work through. At least Killraven features one of my all-time favourite artists, P. Craig Russell, with an amazing evolution in style through that short run. Edited February 11, 2019 by Ken Aldred ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Sisqo Due said: Are you sure you've read Transmetropolitan? Yeah it was V for Vendetta meets District 9 with the old the establishment is evil mwah ha ha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Sisqo Due said: Are you sure you're thinking of the right title? The story of gonzo journalist Spider Jerusalem (and his filthy assistants) by the team of Warrren Ellis and Darick Robertson?? yeah wasnt there a camp where all the tranmets were abused by the evil president and stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Ken Aldred said: Killraven I agree. Way over written making it a slog to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Man Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said: Anybody go back and re-read classics when they are older like Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man Watchmen and Sandman? The last time I read these I think I was like age 11 to 13. lol. I think I am going to go back and re-read the classics of the 1980s and see if they hold up to an adult mind and it`s not just nostalgia fueling my love for them as being better than modern comics. Anybody else want to join me in my experiment in re-reading Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man, Watchmen and Sandman as adults to see if they are up to it compared to modern comics? I had Sandman #1 back in the day, didn't have much interest in it, (but then again, I was also reading GI Joe at the time), so perhaps I should revisit. Maybe my adulting brain would enjoy it. ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mercury Man said: I had Sandman #1 back in the day, didn't have much interest in it, (but then again, I was also reading GI Joe at the time), so perhaps I should revisit. Maybe my adulting brain would enjoy it. That`s how I was with the Cheers tv show,as a kid I didn't get it, but as an adult watching it now it`s one of the best tv shows ever made. Edited February 11, 2019 by ComicConnoisseur 1950's war comics and FoggyNelson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said: That`s how I was with the Cheers tv show,as a kid I didn't get it, but as an adult watching it now it`s one of the best tv shows ever made. Never seen it or big bang theory or most every 'popular' sitcom after 1980 except Steinfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FineCollector Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said: Anybody go back and re-read classics when they are older like Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man Watchmen and Sandman? I read Animal Man as an adult. I don't like Morrison normally, but his run was great. I could've done without the rest of the run. I tried to read an issue of Sandman out of context as a kid, while I was still a Marvel zombie, and didn't care for it. I bought a full run many years later, and thorougly enjoyed it. ComicConnoisseur and Ken Aldred 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, kav said: Never seen it or big bang theory or most every 'popular' sitcom after 1980 except Steinfield. I would go with the first 5 years of Cheers if you ever tried it. Those were the Sam and Diane years. Had to be the funniest most dysfunctional couple ever to be seen on TV. FoggyNelson, kav and 1950's war comics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisco37 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Yeah, Sandman isn't something the average kid would read and like (or get). It's wonderful and still holds up very well. Mr Sneeze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said: I would go with the first 5 years of Cheers if you ever tried it. Those were the Sam and Diane years. Had to be the funniest most dysfunctional couple ever to be seen on TV. LOOOOOOOOOOSEY!!! YOU GOT SOME 'SPLAININ TO DO!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoggyNelson Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said: That`s how I was with the Cheers tv show,as a kid I didn't get it, but as an adult watching it now it`s one of the best tv shows ever made. Yes cheers was laugh out loud , that’s funny that you didn’t get it when you were little🤪🤪🤪🥴😄 ComicConnoisseur and 1950's war comics 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said: Anybody go back and re-read classics when they are older like Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man Watchmen and Sandman? The last time I read these I think I was like age 11 to 13. lol. I think I am going to go back and re-read the classics of the 1980s and see if they hold up to an adult mind and it`s not just nostalgia fueling my love for them as being better than modern comics. Anybody else want to join me in my experiment in re-reading Saga of Swamp Thing, Dark Knight Returns,Miracle Man, Animal Man, Watchmen and Sandman as adults to see if they are up to it compared to modern comics? Saga of the Swamp Thing I re-read a couple of years ago - some of it I really thought was amazing, some of it not so much... I liked Dark Knight Returns more when I thought Frank Miller was being satirical. Uh... which Miracle Man? The 4th World stuff I loved more every time I've read it. Morrison's Animal Man is still pretty darn cool, and those Bolland covers are a treat. Read his Doom Patrol while you're at it. Years ahead of his time. Watchmen is still enjoyable. Sandman is still enjoyable. ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
