Silver Age pedigree thread 3 3

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On 5/16/2024 at 11:00 PM, tth2 said:

Yup.  I bought a bunch of late SA Marvel Golden State books from Showcase New England back in the 1990s and they were beautiful, consistently grading 9.6 and 9.8 with White pages when I eventually submitted them to CGC.  But I'd be hard pressed to say that they were really that much better than other SA Marvels from the same period that I've seen.

These are all Golden State books. I'm probably biased because I own lot of GS books but I think they're pretty great. Probably not quite up there with the Curator or Pacific Coast books because the runs started later. But I think they're nicer than most SA pedigrees.

[Microchip]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:10 PM, Ghost Town said:

A BSD is in town, and you've blown this thread out of the water!!

Those are some seriously impressive books.  The pedigree books talk for themselves quite well.  

 

 

Edited May 24 by Microchip

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On 5/24/2024 at 3:38 PM, Ghost Town said:

These are all Golden State books. I'm probably biased because I own lot of GS books but I think they're pretty great. Probably not quite up there with the Curator or Pacific Coast books because the runs started later. But I think they're nicer than most SA pedigrees.

I thought I'd been here for a while, I've never even heard of the Golden state collection? You're obviously not holding back, these are some the most difficult books to find in grade, and many of the pedigree's don't even come close on these 4 books.   Whats the background on the collection?

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On 5/23/2024 at 11:00 PM, Microchip said:

I thought I'd been here for a while, I've never even heard of the Golden state collection? You're obviously not holding back, these are some the most difficult books to find in grade, and many of the pedigree's don't even come close on these 4 books.   Whats the background on the collection?

From Worldwide Comics website:

"The Golden State collection was amassed by a meticulous collector residing in the San Francisco area who carefully filed away his newsstand copies each month. The core of the collection ranged from the early 60s to present, but also included a very impressive run of Golden Age as well. 

The owner finally decided to part with the Golden and Silver Age portions of his collection in the early 90s, and much of it entered the market through a national dealer. Unfortunately much of the Silver Age was never documented as the Golden State collection, although one can still find random CGC graded issues floating about. The average grade of this period was 9.4 and 9.6, truly amazing books. 

Fast forward to 2008, the original owner has finally decided to sell the remainder of his collection, which consists of late Bronze Age to present. WWC is proud to offer this last section of the Golden States to collectors starting this week. Just about every single title and issue from Marvel, DC and most 80s independents are there, with the vast majority grading CGC 9.8. WWC will be releasing over 5,000 CGC graded Golden States throughout the rest of 2009 and early 2010. Each book will display a Golden State sticker on the CGC case."

It was Dan Greenhalgh of Showcase New England who acquired the Silver Age part of the collection and started selling the books in 1997. I know that because when I heard Dan got the collection, I drove from NYC to Dan's office in Wallingford, CT to get my hands on the books. As far as I know, only one collector, John Sergeant, beat me there. But John managed to wipe out large parts of the Silver Age Marvel runs. 

I still managed to buy 137 GS books from Dan on that trip – all priced at 2.5 x Guide.

In early 2000, John Sergeant sold his collection to Joe Verenault and the books hit the market again. CGC hadn't yet opened its doors, so obviously the books were still raw.

 

 

 

[namisgr]

Massachusetts and White Mountain copies.

   

Edited May 24 by namisgr

[namisgr]

Sid's Luncheonette and Gary Dahlberg/Twin Cities copies.  The Sid's collection was not granted pedigree status, but is a beautiful early SA original owner collection going as far back as 1956, amassed by board member Harry Banks, who uses the moniker Burntboy.

    

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[Hepcat]

A Paste-Pot Pete comic bought at Sid's Luncheonette is a very tough combination to beat!

[Hepcat]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:48 AM, Ghost Town said:

From Worldwide Comics website:

 

"The Golden State collection was amassed by a meticulous collector residing in the San Francisco area who carefully filed away his newsstand copies each month. The core of the collection ranged from the early 60s to present, but also included a very impressive run of Golden Age as well. 

 

It was Dan Greenhalgh of Showcase New England who acquired the Silver Age part of the collection and started selling the books in 1997.

Interesting! I bought quite a few Silver Age DC comics from Showcase New England around the turn of the century but I absolutely don't remember which ones.

[tth2]

On 5/24/2024 at 1:38 PM, Ghost Town said:

On 5/17/2024 at 2:00 PM, tth2 said:

Yup.  I bought a bunch of late SA Marvel Golden State books from Showcase New England back in the 1990s and they were beautiful, consistently grading 9.6 and 9.8 with White pages when I eventually submitted them to CGC.  But I'd be hard pressed to say that they were really that much better than other SA Marvels from the same period that I've seen.

These are all Golden State books. I'm probably biased because I own lot of GS books but I think they're pretty great. Probably not quite up there with the Curator or Pacific Coast books because the runs started later. But I think they're nicer than most SA pedigrees.

Sweet books, Barton! 

My impression from the small number of raw GS's that I managed to buy was that they were tremendous books, structurally really superior, but cover gloss and freshness did not quite rank up there with raw Western Penns, Pacific Coasts and Curators that I've seen.  But we're talking about very very small differences, which reinforces my point that the difference between pedigree late SA books with other pedigree and non-pedigree counterparts just isn't that massive, certainly not compared to the difference between many pedigree GA books and their non-pedigree counterparts.  

[Hepcat]

Which collection would you say has the nicest comics from the 1958-64 period including non-Marvel titles?

[tth2]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:54 PM, Hepcat said:

Which collection would you say has the nicest comics from the 1958-64 period including non-Marvel titles?

The interesting/frustrating thing about SA pedigrees is that there is just no one pedigree that checks all the boxes for all periods of the SA, particularly the pre-1964 period. 

PC is about as complete as any SA pedigree, but the books are not consistently NM in the earlier period and the knock on the pedigree has always been that the early mega-keys from the collection are not ultra-HG.  WM did have a number of ultra-HG mega-keys, but there are all sorts of holes in the collection.  Western Penn is all over the place.  Bethlehem has some incredible early gems, such as the 9.4 Adventure 247, but definitely does not appear to have been a completist's collection.  

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On 5/24/2024 at 7:51 AM, tth2 said:

My impression from the small number of raw GS's that I managed to buy was that they were tremendous books, structurally really superior, but cover gloss and freshness did not quite rank up there with raw Western Penns, Pacific Coasts and Curators that I've seen.  But we're talking about very very small differences, which reinforces my point that the difference between pedigree late SA books with other pedigree and non-pedigree counterparts just isn't that massive, certainly not compared to the difference between many pedigree GA books and their non-pedigree counterparts.  

I think that's true about the cover gloss and freshness. But I think that's also true of the PC books, which sometimes have some translucent covers. For me, the Curator books and the Boston books seem to have the best colors and freshness. I don't have many Western Penn books so I can't weigh in there.

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[Hepcat]

Speaking of Pacific Coast copies, here are a couple:

And best of all, they're neither Marvels or DCs!

Incidentally, does anyone else have any pedigreed Archies, ACGs, Charltons or Silver Age funny animal comics? I have several Bethlehem Adventures of the Fly and a couple Northland Adventures of the Jaguar, but I can't remember seeing any others. I'd be particularly intrigued by pedigreed copies of the Space Adventures with Captain Atom, Gorgo, Konga and Reptilicus/Reptisaurus titles.

Edited May 24 by Hepcat

[Hepcat]

For those of you tired of seeing nothing but page after page of Marvels and DCs, here are my two NM- Northland copies of Adventures of the Jaguar:

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[tth2]

On 5/24/2024 at 11:55 PM, Ghost Town said:

I don't have many Western Penn books so I can't weigh in there.

The raw WPs I've owned looked like the inks were still wet.