Bronty Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) On 4/27/2021 at 1:30 AM, PopKulture said: It's strange seeing some of these golden age books with those gasp-inducing numbers in the upper left corners after reading all those threads in General about submitting moderns and variants that might have an imperceptible spine tick - is this a 9.6 or a 9.8? People roll the dice and submit a batch of fifty books and are happy when, what, maybe five come back as 9.8's? No way those moderns that come back as inferior 9.6's aren't structurally superior to their golden-age equivalents! And by equivalent I mean books with matching numbers in the corner. There shouldn't be separate standards for books from different eras. That's why you set standards, so that they can be applied even-handedly. To a point. By the same token GA and modern books are constructed so differently that you can't truly grade them on identical standards. How do you assess the quality of rib eye steaks and tofu patties on the same scale? Isn't any attempt for consistent standards across those two products a bit of an intellectual conceit to start with? My beef better not have tofu in it. Whereas I'm quite accepting of tofu in my tofu patty. Edited April 28, 2021 by Bronty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwotka Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, batman_fan said: I love books that say “Larson” or a nicely placed “Tom Reilly” stamp on the back cover. And on the flip side, is there anything worse than a Larson copy with the name (and color of the cover) erased? Miamiknight3434, Larryw7, Zolnerowich and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 16 hours ago, buttock said: Can you tell I'm at work? Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, Bronty said: To a point. By the same token GA and modern books are constructed so differently that you can't truly grade them on identical standards. How do you assess the quality of rib eye steaks and tofu patties on the same scale? Isn't any attempt for consistent standards across those two products a bit of an intellectual conceit to start with? My beef better not have tofu in it. Whereas I'm quite accepting of tofu in my tofu patty. GA books and Modern books are constructed the same. Saddlestitched and trimmed. The difference is that GA books are generally larger and thicker. Also, some wartime books have only one staple witch makes them more prone to cover detachment. Other than that, they have always been manufactured the same. I have always questioned why GA squarebound books are graded the same as saddlestitched ones? Totally different process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Robot Man said: GA books and Modern books are constructed the same. Saddlestitched and trimmed. The difference is that GA books are generally larger and thicker. Also, some wartime books have only one staple witch makes them more prone to cover detachment. Other than that, they have always been manufactured the same. I have always questioned why GA squarebound books are graded the same as saddlestitched ones? Totally different process. Maybe he's referring to the paper quality. My impression is that "modern" comics, have heavier cover stock (as well as non-newsprint interiors) which should protect them more against tanning, bending, and other defects that strike the lighter cover stock and newsprint interior books that were the standard into the 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Awesome Comics #34 (Kirby Puckett) CGC Warehouse Presdegree 9.6 6th & 18th appearance of Ghost Cat (El Negro [español]....mi gatoooo 😪) Classic Kirby Puckett cover $20,000 Edited April 28, 2021 by ChillMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Different page counts, different page quality, 23 minutes ago, Robot Man said: GA books and Modern books are constructed the same. Saddlestitched and trimmed. The difference is that GA books are generally larger and thicker. Also, some wartime books have only one staple witch makes them more prone to cover detachment. Other than that, they have always been manufactured the same. I have always questioned why GA squarebound books are graded the same as saddlestitched ones? Totally different process. What's that? You say they aren't the same? Robot Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, sfcityduck said: Maybe he's referring to the paper quality. My impression is that "modern" comics, have heavier cover stock (as well as non-newsprint interiors) which should protect them more against tanning, bending, and other defects that strike the lighter cover stock and newsprint interior books that were the standard into the 1980s. different page counts, different paper, modern presses, etc. it may not seem like much to me it is. You're going to have bindery chips as part of manufacture on those big fat GA books. You're not going to have them on modern books. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Get a room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) SA will always be GA's little b---- . But not this way....this 'pedigree' is more boring than Little Jackie Wright's little old bald guy replacements on the Benny Hill Show. Edited April 28, 2021 by ChillMan Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entalmighty1 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, ChillMan said: SA will always be GA's little b---- . But not this way....this 'pedigree' is more boring than Little Jackie Wright's little old bald guy replacements on the Benny Hill Show. What books would have excited you? ChillMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrocHntr Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Bronty said: different page counts, different paper, modern presses, etc. it may not seem like much to me it is. You're going to have bindery chips as part of manufacture on those big fat GA books. You're not going to have them on modern books. etc. etc. Yeah, but a chip is a chip. GA or modern, it sure makes the book fugly. Why would the grade not represent what is obvious to the eye as a flaw (either manufactured or not)? Rip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, mwotka said: And on the flip side, is there anything worse than a Larson copy with the name (and color of the cover) erased? Actually no, it is one of the worst defects on a comic. Rip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, entalmighty1 said: What books would have excited you? None of these common issues. Throw down 20% on a key, yeah SA 1st app. Or celebrity current valid drivers licenses or passports when they died. I like 'cameo' and 'ad' 1st appearances. But not high grade common boring issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, batman_fan said: Actually no, it is one of the worst defects on a comic. Some of us can't tell if you're joking lol..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, CrocHntr said: Yeah, but a chip is a chip. GA or modern, it sure makes the book fugly. Why would the grade not represent what is obvious to the eye as a flaw (either manufactured or not)? Some collectors think that production defects should not count off as significantly as defects introduced later. Some collectors think the tiniest stain is the kiss of death. Others, not so much. Every collector is free to like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. The problem in defining a single grading standard is that you can't ultimately include everyone's preferred approach because they are contradictory. CGC created a "reasonable" standard after consultation with a variety of collectors and dealers. They have also, to my observation, altered that standard a time or two as the principals have changed places. If it were up to me, I wouldn't have chosen any of the standards they use, but that doesn't mean that the collecting community would like my standards any better. CrocHntr, Rip, Bronty and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Manufacturing defects are kind of a grey area especially when it comes to bindary chips and page stock impressions around the spine. But I've seen bronze age DC dollar books given the same bindary chip pass as golden age books with regard to that defect. That said it does look like some of these have been graded a bit soft. Although it would be better if I could see them in person. I suggest others hold off on bidding so I can do the proper assessment needed. Edited April 28, 2021 by Rip sagii and lou_fine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, CrocHntr said: Yeah, but a chip is a chip. GA or modern, it sure makes the book fugly. Why would the grade not represent what is obvious to the eye as a flaw (either manufactured or not)? Manufactured defects exist in all ages. A good example of a more recent book is ASM 361. The book often has 2 marks on the lower part of the book front cover. But since most copies have it, and it was part of the manufactured process, the book is given a pass. Edited April 28, 2021 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, ChillMan said: None of these common issues. Throw down 20% on a key, yeah SA 1st app. Or celebrity current valid drivers licenses or passports when they died. I like 'cameo' and 'ad' 1st appearances. But not high grade common boring issues. Sarcasm alert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post october Posted April 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, entalmighty1 said: What books would have excited you? Probably some Star Wars 9.9 first appearance of Gleep Glorp or some other bulls#$@ 17 day old "key". Rip, adamstrange, onlyweaknesskryptonite and 8 others 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...