comicnoir Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 9:16 PM, Sqeggs said: Probably been remarked on already but I recently stumbled on this failed flip. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7248-93177.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7283-93086.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 Unless the original "sale" didn't actually go through. Burn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 9:16 AM, Sqeggs said: Probably been remarked on already but I recently stumbled on this failed flip. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7248-93177.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7283-93086.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 Unless the original "sale" didn't actually go through. Since the first sale is showing up in Heritage's archives, that would seem to indicate that it did go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) On 6/4/2023 at 8:04 AM, tth2 said: Another one, this time from 9.2 up to 9.6! https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-the-promise-collection-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7340-92111.s?ic2=mybidspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyBids-101116 Well, I guess this goes a long way to prove that the Promise books were clearly undergraded on their first go round as rumours would have it. I think Halperin should take this 9.6 copy here and march himself right down to the CGC grading office with his whip and show those no good insubordinate graders who's the real boss of this whole operations here. Edited June 5, 2023 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 6:16 PM, Sqeggs said: Probably been remarked on already but I recently stumbled on this failed flip. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7248-93177.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7283-93086.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 Unless the original "sale" didn't actually go through. On 6/5/2023 at 7:28 AM, tth2 said: Since the first sale is showing up in Heritage's archives, that would seem to indicate that it did go through. Yes let's just keep moseying along, nothing to see at all herewhen it comes to the Promise books.............just your usual typical everyday pocket change loss of only $43,200 or a mere 72% after just one year with the book going from $60K down to $16,800. aardvark88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 That was shown on another thread previously yes. One of the worst losses in % terms to date I think. And to think the consignor didn’t even receive that full amount after fees 😂 Ben? Is there Ben Dover present? drbanner and batman_fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 11:04 AM, tth2 said: Another one, this time from 9.2 up to 9.6! https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-the-promise-collection-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7340-92111.s?ic2=mybidspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyBids-101116 It looks like the upper staple is impacted, and there appears to be a spot of rust staining around the lower staple. That passes for 9.6 these days? I guess I need to resubmit a bunch of my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 11:06 AM, lou_fine said: Well, I guess this goes a long way to prove that the Promise books were clearly undergraded on their first go round as rumours would have it. I think Halperin should take this 9.6 copy here and march himself right down to the CGC grading office with his whip and show those no good insubordinate graders who's the real boss of this whole operations here. I'm not seeing the 9.2 Promise in heritage's archives (there is a different 9.2 in the archive) but I can do you one better when it comes to Plastic Man 16: Mile High, 8.5 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-mile-high-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages-a-nearly-flawless-copy-with-a-perfe/a/803-7346.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Presto! Change-o! Mile High, 9.6 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-mile-high-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages-this-sweet-copy-has-a-lot-going-for/a/817-3409.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Open-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514 lou_fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RareHighGrade Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 10:06 AM, Bronty said: I'm not seeing the 9.2 Promise in heritage's archives (there is a different 9.2 in the archive) but I can do you one better when it comes to Plastic Man 16: Mile High, 8.5 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-mile-high-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages-a-nearly-flawless-copy-with-a-perfe/a/803-7346.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Presto! Change-o! Mile High, 9.6 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-mile-high-pedigree-quality-1949-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages-this-sweet-copy-has-a-lot-going-for/a/817-3409.s?ic16=ViewItem-Auction-Open-PreviousPricesHeritage-081514 The most surprising aspect of this is that the 8.5 looks nicer. Not only does the 9.6 retain all of the original flaws (small crease in URC and slightly smashed bottom of spine), but due to the pressing, the front cover no longer covers the top of the pages on the right side. lou_fine, tth2 and jimbo_7071 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 7:16 PM, Sqeggs said: Probably been remarked on already but I recently stumbled on this failed flip. https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7248-93177.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/funny-animal/terry-toons-comics-38-the-promise-collection-pedigree-timely-1945-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7283-93086.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 Unless the original "sale" didn't actually go through. Not that big of a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) On 6/6/2023 at 10:28 AM, RareHighGrade said: The most surprising aspect of this is that the 8.5 looks nicer. Not only does the 9.6 retain all of the original flaws (small crease in URC and slightly smashed bottom of spine), but due to the pressing, the front cover no longer covers the top of the pages on the right side. Then again not really that surprising, since beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, so is ugliness also in the eye of the beholder. As such, what most of us here (i.e. collectors) would see as a defect, others (i.e. CGC graders) would see as a positive benefit because it's evidence or proof that the submittor has paid their just dues to the CCG ownership group and therefore should be rewarded accordingly. Edited June 7, 2023 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) On 6/6/2023 at 7:06 PM, batman_fan said: Not that big of a loss Yes, nothing more than just pocket change that can be cover by what's sitting in the petty cash drawer. Edited June 7, 2023 by lou_fine batman_fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTheDuck Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 When I send a batch of books in, I'm going to include a note: "Please grade under the 'Promise Collection' standards." comicjack, Chief1332, GreatCaesarsGhost and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 10:06 AM, Bronty said: I'm not seeing the 9.2 Promise in heritage's archives (there is a different 9.2 in the archive) but I can do you one better when it comes to Plastic Man 16: I also didn't see it when I took the short cut within their current listing and had to go all the way back out and then into their archive to see it: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/superhero/plastic-man-16-the-promise-collection-pedigree-bell-features-1949-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122223-11692.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Mmehdy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I see it’s published by Bell. Cdn copy? I didn’t think Bell was selling into the US but maybe I’m wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 12:01 PM, jimbo_7071 said: It looks like the upper staple is impacted, and there appears to be a spot of rust staining around the lower staple. That passes for 9.6 these days? I guess I need to resubmit a bunch of my books. I wish there were some consistency in the way CGC formulates their reader notes. I see a spot of discoloration on the paper near the spine, but no rust on the staple. But inexplicably, cgc only occasionally makes a note of rust, even in books with worse problems. This always leaves me to wonder if the rust developed after grading, and I have no way of knowing if the rust was taken into consideration when calculating the grade. Obviously it was taken into consideration here, but other times I am left to wonder Cat-Man_America, jimbo_7071 and Chief1332 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cat-Man_America Posted June 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2023 Here's an old school 9.6 pedigree Plastic Man #16... Spoiler Mmehdy, GreatCaesarsGhost, batman_fan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Suspense Comics # 11 CGC 9.8 Promise ended at $147k on ComicConnect just now. @MasterChief MasterChief and comicjack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 On 5/11/2023 at 6:59 AM, ThothAmon said: The wheels on the bus go round and round. Maybe the seller needs some tax losses? On 5/11/2023 at 9:24 AM, buttock said: My gut feeling on this book is that if I saw it pop up on a dealer's website it would probably be around $35k. Well, not so surprisingly, it appears that the Promise copy of Suspense 11 sold for quite a bit more than $35K according to this post from Tim: On 6/8/2023 at 8:23 PM, tth2 said: Suspense Comics # 11 CGC 9.8 Promise ended at $147k on ComicConnect just now. @MasterChief What is rather surprising though is that the seller actually looks to be ahead by a few hundred dollars after taking the 10% auction fee into account since the book sold for $132K on the first go round at Heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 3:47 AM, lou_fine said: What is rather surprising though is that the seller actually looks to be ahead by a few hundred dollars after taking the 10% auction fee into account since the book sold for $132K on the first go round at Heritage. That's an awesome ROI. It's a good thing that inflation isn't real! Oh, wait . . .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 10:30 PM, jimbo_7071 said: On 6/9/2023 at 3:47 PM, lou_fine said: What is rather surprising though is that the seller actually looks to be ahead by a few hundred dollars after taking the 10% auction fee into account since the book sold for $132K on the first go round at Heritage. That's an awesome ROI. It's a good thing that inflation isn't real! Oh, wait . . .. Selling a Promise book and not taking a loss IS a win. Dark Knight, lou_fine, jimbo_7071 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...