AF 9.6 coming to auction 7 7

[Dark Knight]

On 9/6/2021 at 9:08 PM, drdonaldblake1 said:

when did you own it?  

10 years ago 

[Crowzilla]

On 9/5/2021 at 8:35 PM, tth2 said:

I would be surprised if there was a 9.8 copy of AF 15 out there, although of course anything's possible.  But as was discussed earlier in this thread, 9.8 is a tough grade and not generally seen in Silver top keys, whether Marvel or DC.

I'm in this camp - almost want to give all these people who claim that there are lots of them in the wild, odds on it to put their money where their mouth is.

Premium paid at the end of every year until one shows up on the census or one of the parties decides to call it quits.

[jimjum12]

On 9/7/2021 at 5:27 AM, Crowzilla said:

I'm in this camp - almost want to give all these people who claim that there are lots of them in the wild, odds on it to put their money where their mouth is.

Premium paid at the end of every year until one shows up on the census or one of the parties decides to call it quits.

Me too. It always had a rep for tough in grade. People sometimes get desensitized to data if it's a global sample ... so there's more than 1? ... that doesn't make it common. There is also the resub factor. Not everyone has the label to send back.... and yes, there are people who deslab high grade mega keys. GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[rob_react]

On 9/7/2021 at 5:27 AM, Crowzilla said:

I'm in this camp - almost want to give all these people who claim that there are lots of them in the wild, odds on it to put their money where their mouth is.

Premium paid at the end of every year until one shows up on the census or one of the parties decides to call it quits.

There might be one, but there aren't many 9.8s of the early Marvels in general.

Time to take a look at Census data, to figure out how many there are!

[rob_react]

I'm going to look through the query and parcel out the superhero titles and then the keys, but, out of all the Marvels graded between 1961 and 1965 only 666/241,069 got 9.8.  

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
884 BOOKS	Universal	241,069	5.82	0 0.00%	2 0.00%	666 0.3%	2,578 1.3%	5,666 3.7%	7,217 6.7%	10,958 11.2%	14,143 17.1%	16,088 23.8%	16,793 30.7%	18,696 38.5%	17,218 45.6%	16,439 52%	14,782 59%	17,483 66%	16,720 73%	17,214 80%	13,064 85%	12,313 90%	7,691 94%	4,878 96%	3,124 97%	2,552 98%	1,740 99%	3,044 100%

Of the books from 1961 through 1963 only 117/89,562

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
449 BOOKS	Universal	89,562	5.00	0 0.00%	1 0.00%	117 0.1%	432 0.6%	993 1.7%	1,280 3.2%	2,184 5.6%	2,973 8.9%	3,876 13.2%	4,505 18.3%	5,604 24.5%	5,710 30.9%	5,706 37.3%	5,570 43.5%	7,069 51%	7,220 59%	8,085 68%	6,611 76%	6,931 84%	4,626 89%	3,131 92%	2,109 95%	1,828 97%	1,259 98%	1,742 100%

[The lips]

On 9/6/2021 at 11:35 PM, G.A.tor said:

That sold via eBay where there is no buyers premium. 

Really ?

my mistake, I thought it was HA 

[rob_react]

 

On 9/6/2021 at 3:57 PM, The lips said:

so the AC1 that went for 3.2 million, was that price inclusive of buyers premium ?

I thought it was hammer price but as I’m far from an expert on auctions then I wouldn’t know 

The hammer price is meaningless, other than as an input in a calculation, for auctions with buyer's premium. I don't track the hammer price, at all.  All the record prices are what the buyer paid (minus taxes and shipping, since those would vary wildly and would be unknowable). In some cases that is the hammer price (eBay, ComicConnect,) in others, its is inclusive of buyer's premium. 

[G.A.tor]

On 9/7/2021 at 8:50 AM, The lips said:

Really ?

my mistake, I thought it was HA 

no biggie...as Rob mentioned, the hammer is not really relevant when there is a BP involved, it is what the buyer pays for the book, so the net is what is compared across all venues

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by G.A.tor

[valiantman]

On 9/7/2021 at 7:46 AM, rob_react said:

I'm going to look through the query and parcel out the superhero titles and then the keys, but, out of all the Marvels graded between 1961 and 1965 only 666/241,069 got 9.8.  

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
884 BOOKS	Universal	241,069	5.82	0 0.00%	2 0.00%	666 0.3%	2,578 1.3%	5,666 3.7%	7,217 6.7%	10,958 11.2%	14,143 17.1%	16,088 23.8%	16,793 30.7%	18,696 38.5%	17,218 45.6%	16,439 52%	14,782 59%	17,483 66%	16,720 73%	17,214 80%	13,064 85%	12,313 90%	7,691 94%	4,878 96%	3,124 97%	2,552 98%	1,740 99%	3,044 100%

Of the books from 1961 through 1963 only 117/89,562

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
449 BOOKS	Universal	89,562	5.00	0 0.00%	1 0.00%	117 0.1%	432 0.6%	993 1.7%	1,280 3.2%	2,184 5.6%	2,973 8.9%	3,876 13.2%	4,505 18.3%	5,604 24.5%	5,710 30.9%	5,706 37.3%	5,570 43.5%	7,069 51%	7,220 59%	8,085 68%	6,611 76%	6,931 84%	4,626 89%	3,131 92%	2,109 95%	1,828 97%	1,259 98%	1,742 100%

Nice looking data. 

[The lips]

On 9/7/2021 at 4:59 PM, G.A.tor said:

no biggie...as Rob mentioned, the hammer is not really relevant when there is a BP involved, it is what the buyer pays for the book, so the net is what is compared across all venues

 

Thanks 

I was going to stretch to a 3 million but the buyers premium makes it now out of my price range !!! 

[G.A.tor]

On 9/7/2021 at 1:30 PM, The lips said:

Thanks 

I was going to stretch to a 3 million but the buyers premium makes it now out of my price range !!! 

just bid where the BP makes it 3 mil...problem solved 

[rob_react]

On 9/7/2021 at 12:57 PM, valiantman said:

Nice looking data. 

Hell yes! I answered my basic question in five minutes 🙏🙏🙏

[peewee22]

On 9/7/2021 at 12:50 PM, rob_react said:

Hell yes! I answered my basic question in five minutes 🙏🙏🙏

[rob_react]

On 9/7/2021 at 8:46 AM, rob_react said:

I'm going to look through the query and parcel out the superhero titles and then the keys, but, out of all the Marvels graded between 1961 and 1965 only 666/241,069 got 9.8.  

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
884 BOOKS	Universal	241,069	5.82	0 0.00%	2 0.00%	666 0.3%	2,578 1.3%	5,666 3.7%	7,217 6.7%	10,958 11.2%	14,143 17.1%	16,088 23.8%	16,793 30.7%	18,696 38.5%	17,218 45.6%	16,439 52%	14,782 59%	17,483 66%	16,720 73%	17,214 80%	13,064 85%	12,313 90%	7,691 94%	4,878 96%	3,124 97%	2,552 98%	1,740 99%	3,044 100%

Of the books from 1961 through 1963 only 117/89,562

Books	CGC Label	CGC Total	Avg. Grade	10	9.9	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	8.5	8.0	7.5	7.0	6.5	6.0	5.5	5.0	4.5	4.0	3.5	3.0	2.5	2.0	1.8	1.5	1.0	0.5
449 BOOKS	Universal	89,562	5.00	0 0.00%	1 0.00%	117 0.1%	432 0.6%	993 1.7%	1,280 3.2%	2,184 5.6%	2,973 8.9%	3,876 13.2%	4,505 18.3%	5,604 24.5%	5,710 30.9%	5,706 37.3%	5,570 43.5%	7,069 51%	7,220 59%	8,085 68%	6,611 76%	6,931 84%	4,626 89%	3,131 92%	2,109 95%	1,828 97%	1,259 98%	1,742 100%

Oh, i just saw the 9.9s in there, i wonder if there are like... German editions in the data. When i get home I'll do a little digging. 

 

[namisgr]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:58 PM, rob_react said:

Oh, i just saw the 9.9s in there, i wonder if there are like... German editions in the data. When i get home I'll do a little digging. 

 

The only SA Marvel from '65 or earlier that I can remember grading 9.9 is the Amazing Spiderman #19 from the gigantic Las Vegas collection that Terry O'Neill and Dave Reynolds brought to market.

[rob_react]

On 9/7/2021 at 3:47 PM, namisgr said:

The only SA Marvel from '65 or earlier that I can remember grading 9.9 is the Amazing Spiderman #19 from the gigantic Las Vegas collection that Terry O'Neill and Dave Reynolds brought to market.

Yeah, that's why I'm double checking. I could be wrong, but i don't remember three

[Get Marwood & I]

This might be of interest:

 

 

 

[namisgr]

It's likely an artifact from scanning/photographing, where the top and bottom edges of the inner well can sometimes make it appear the top or bottom edge of a comic has a slight inward bend.  Only seeing the book in person would confirm for sure, however.

This isn't meant to downplay the very real problem of shaken comic syndrome, where much more than an apparent slight inward bend is introduced to one or more corners or the non-spine edges of the front and/or back cover.  That's damage, sometimes significant relative to the numerical grade.

Edited September 7, 2021 by namisgr

[Get Marwood & I]

On 9/7/2021 at 9:05 PM, namisgr said:

It's likely an artifact from scanning/photographing, where the top and bottom edges of the inner well can sometimes make it appear the top or bottom edge of a comic has a slight inward bend.  Only seeing the book in person would confirm for sure, however.

Yes, possibly. It does make you wonder though, if the book were to receive a jolt, what would happen to that rear left edge.

And is that a piece of plastic in the second picture do you think?

[namisgr]

Don't know if that's a thin piece of plastic or an imperfection in the manufacture of the outer or inner well refracting the light.

One thing is for sure if I were a serious bidder on this book: I'd make an appointment with Heritage to view it in person.

Edited September 7, 2021 by namisgr