MAR1979 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) On 10/10/2021 at 4:42 PM, Rick2you2 said: Not necessarily. The Ross Andru art advertisement showing the Phantom Stranger and Dr. Thirteen for $2,000 was something The Brothers weren’t able to unload for years at $1,600. And, that is a piece with low growth potential. 🦨 Was referring to market manipulation via shilling, thus the wink at end of the post But yeah like with Comics a good amount of DC stuff has low growth potential. The way I look at it is; with exception for a few DC characters (Batman, Harley Quin, Joker and some others), major DC characters rank below minor Marvel in terms of growth potential. All that does not take into account artist and other variables but DC is simply not in Marvel's league. Wish it was as DC represents probably near 2/3's of my art and comics collection. Of course the reason for that was lower price to begin with... Edited October 11, 2021 by MAR1979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecclectica Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 2:58 AM, chrisco37 said: I just saw the IG and posted it. No idea if it’s the original or not. Does somebody have seen there how Albert was selling it ? As a recreation or as the original ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 10:02 PM, MAR1979 said: Was referring to market manipulation via shilling, thus the wink at end of the post But yeah like with Comics a good amount of DC stuff has low growth potential. The way I look at it is; with exception for a few DC characters (Batman, Harley Quin, Joker and some others), major DC characters rank below minor Marvel in terms of growth potential. All that does not take into account artist and other variables but DC is simply not in Marvel's league. Wish it was as DC represents probably near 2/3's of my art and comics collection. Of course the reason for that was lower price to begin with... I don’t think this is shilling, more likely, swapping or buying low value pieces in the hope there is undiscovered treasure in there, like the Yankees contract purchase of Gio Urshela a few years ago. A long time ago,I asked Steve about it and he said,”This is Ross Andruuuu….”. Yea, okay. Put him in a Spidersuit the next time you add trade dress and we’ll talk. I’m not sure I even have any Marvel pieces in my collection. It isn’t due to pricing, but character content. A lot of high priced work is based on nostalgia, and that’s where Marvel kicks in. Marvel also has great fight scenes in its books, and they lend themselves to graphics. Now, if DC published half-naked Bombshells, I expect its art would sell better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotSuperPowers? Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 3:18 AM, Ecclectica said: Does somebody have seen there how Albert was selling it ? As a recreation or as the original ? I wasn't there, but yes, my understanding is that is exactly how Albert was offering it - as a recreation and priced as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecclectica Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 12:27 PM, GotSuperPowers? said: I wasn't there, but yes, my understanding is that is exactly how Albert was offering it - as a recreation and priced as such. Thanks. It would make sense. I saw on the pics in the previous post he was displaying at least one other painted recreation of another original cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) On 10/11/2021 at 6:27 AM, GotSuperPowers? said: I wasn't there, but yes, my understanding is that is exactly how Albert was offering it - as a recreation and priced as such. That's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as Cates' tweet seeming to imply he bought the original... Edited October 11, 2021 by Varanis Ecclectica and Sean I 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobrac Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:16 AM, Varanis said: That's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as Cates' tweet seeming to imply he bought the original... Look at the bright side, at least it wasn't signed by "Stan Lee." vodou, Ecclectica, Will_K and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 1:16 PM, Varanis said: That's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as Cates' tweet seeming to imply he bought the original... Maybe he thinks he did? Ecclectica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 4:58 PM, John E. said: Maybe he thinks he did? This would be really disappointing too. I'd feel really bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nexus Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 11:16 AM, Varanis said: That's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as Cates' tweet seeming to imply he bought the original... It was disappointing back in 2004, too...when it first showed up at SDCC that year. I wasn't collecting OA back then (outside of a few random pieces), but a friend knew I was into all things Alan Moore, so very excitedly told me that Garry Leach had brought the MIRACLEMAN #1 original cover with him to sell. Only to find out that it was an unpublished recreation. An exceedingly well-done recreation. But still a recreation. Even back then, that kinda killed it for me. When I saw it this past weekend at Albert's NYCC booth, I knew what it was before Albert confirmed it. As well, the actual original is an auction piece, and not something you'd find on a dealer's wall. To muddy the waters even further, there's yet ANOTHER version of this cover out there. Marvel commissioned Leach to recreate the art again for a variant cover for their MIRACLEMAN relaunch in 2014 (see below). I was offered the art at that time, and passed. But I did think about it longer than I did for the unpublished version. Anyway, that's out there, if anyone wants to hunt for it. BCarter27, BVladimirHarkonnen, Varanis and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 5:40 PM, Nexus said: It was disappointing back in 2004, too...when it first showed up at SDCC that year. I wasn't collecting OA back then (outside of a few random pieces), but a friend knew I was into all things Alan Moore, so very excitedly told me that Garry Leach had brought the MIRACLEMAN #1 original cover with him to sell. Only to find out that it was an unpublished recreation. An exceedingly well-done recreation. But still a recreation. Even back then, that kinda killed it for me. When I saw it this past weekend at Albert's NYCC booth, I knew what it was before Albert confirmed it. As well, the actual original is an auction piece, and not something you'd find on a dealer's wall. To muddy the waters even further, there's yet ANOTHER version of this cover out there. Marvel commissioned Leach to recreate the art again for a variant cover for their MIRACLEMAN relaunch in 2014 (see below). I was offered the art at that time, and passed. But I did think about it longer than I did for the unpublished version. Anyway, that's out there, if anyone wants to hunt for it. Thanks Felix! That's some great background. I was shocked when I saw the images of it on Albert's wall at NYCC - I wouldn't expect such a prestigious piece to be sold any where other than auction. I hope Cates knows what he bought and enjoys the heck out of it. It's definitely an incredibly well done recreation. Nexus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 4:58 AM, John E. said: On 10/12/2021 at 2:16 AM, Varanis said: That's disappointing. Almost as disappointing as Cates' tweet seeming to imply he bought the original... Maybe he thinks he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVladimirHarkonnen Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 5:58 PM, Varanis said: Thanks Felix! That's some great background. I was shocked when I saw the images of it on Albert's wall at NYCC - I wouldn't expect such a prestigious piece to be sold any where other than auction. I hope Cates knows what he bought and enjoys the heck out of it. It's definitely an incredibly well done recreation. Was this promoted by Albert as anything besides a recreation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOStateSuperman Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Looks like Donny has removed his posts about the piece. Not sure about the reasoning, but maybe he did think it was the original and has realized that isn’t the case. Bird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_not_so_nice Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Well, as the saying goes: F*** Around and Find Out John E. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 10:14 PM, MOStateSuperman said: Looks like Donny has removed his posts about the piece. Not sure about the reasoning, but maybe he did think it was the original and has realized that isn’t the case. This article says there was a misunderstanding and that he returned it. https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-did-not-buy-original-cover-art-to-miracleman-1-after-all/ Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOStateSuperman Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 9:28 PM, Varanis said: This article says there was a misunderstanding and that he returned it. https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-did-not-buy-original-cover-art-to-miracleman-1-after-all/ oof. Well, that’s embarrassing. Edited October 13, 2021 by MOStateSuperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches_Malone Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 6:27 AM, GotSuperPowers? said: I wasn't there, but yes, my understanding is that is exactly how Albert was offering it - as a recreation and priced as such. What was the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 10:33 PM, MOStateSuperman said: oof. Well, that’s embarrassing. Cates is coming off naive, but hey, we all make mistakes. We don't usually post them on instagram, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanis Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 11:15 PM, Matches_Malone said: What was the price? I heard $10,000 but I'm not certain. Whatever the price was, it would have been a give away to most here it wasn't the original - not too hard to imagine someone less informed on the OA market thinking it was the real deal though. Edited October 13, 2021 by Varanis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
