What is your preference for pressing temperature and time 4 4

[815K1]

I’m interested because some people use 140 F and others 175 F and some of the t-shirt machines only go as low as 200 F.

so for example one said 175 F for 25 seconds leave for 6 hours and they use 1 aluminium plate plus boards and Teflon 

another has 140 F for 5 minutes they use 2 aluminium plates and Teflon 

and this one I haven’t seen a video but it said about 200 for 25 minutes and leave overnight I’m assuming they use boards and or Teflon 

These are all so varied, what is the best?

[theCapraAegagrus]

0 degrees for 0 minutes.

[Doctor Dositheus]

Different eras, different paper stocks from the same era, there is no one answer. Only experience can guide you. Luckily there's no drek shortage.

[zzutak]

On a related front, I'd like to know KFC's secret blend of 11 herbs and spices and John S. Pemberton's original formula for Coca-Cola.   

[joeypost]

On 1/25/2022 at 5:48 AM, 815K1 said:

I’m interested because some people use 140 F and others 175 F and some of the t-shirt machines only go as low as 200 F.

so for example one said 175 F for 25 seconds leave for 6 hours and they use 1 aluminium plate plus boards and Teflon 

another has 140 F for 5 minutes they use 2 aluminium plates and Teflon 

and this one I haven’t seen a video but it said about 200 for 25 minutes and leave overnight I’m assuming they use boards and or Teflon 

These are all so varied, what is the best?

If you really want to learn, learn through trial and error. Put the time in and don’t be lazy. While most techniques that are shared online are shortcuts and sheer stupidity, there are a few gems of wisdom there. 

[Kevin76]

On 1/25/2022 at 5:48 AM, 815K1 said:

I’m interested because some people use 140 F and others 175 F and some of the t-shirt machines only go as low as 200 F.

so for example one said 175 F for 25 seconds leave for 6 hours and they use 1 aluminium plate plus boards and Teflon 

another has 140 F for 5 minutes they use 2 aluminium plates and Teflon 

and this one I haven’t seen a video but it said about 200 for 25 minutes and leave overnight I’m assuming they use boards and or Teflon 

These are all so varied, what is the best?

What's the best?  

Nothing you've listed here is the best.  Take everything you've "learned" online and scrap it, start from scratch and do trail and error, submit books and read the graders notes and decide if you're happy with what you are getting back and what you can improve on.  For example "Grader notes : Pebbling.  Lesson learned...Using the wrong equipment.   Rinse and repeat.  That's how I learned.   

[Axelrod]

On 1/25/2022 at 7:45 PM, joeypost said:

If you really want to learn, learn through trial and error. Put the time in and don’t be lazy. While most techniques that are shared online are shortcuts and sheer stupidity, there are a few gems of wisdom there. 

 

On 1/31/2022 at 5:45 PM, Kevin76 said:

What's the best?  

Nothing you've listed here is the best.  Take everything you've "learned" online and scrap it, start from scratch and do trail and error, submit books and read the graders notes and decide if you're happy with what you are getting back and what you can improve on.  For example "Grader notes : Pebbling.  Lesson learned...Using the wrong equipment.   Rinse and repeat.  That's how I learned.   

Yes, sure.  But also, one who has already gone through this trial and error stage could choose to share their learned wisdom.  That is a thing that one could do.

That is, I gather, what some of these youtube people are doing, but the different people are also giving out wildly differing advise as to how to do it, leading to the confusion.  

I do appreciate that someone who has put in the time and effort to learn proper technique might not want to simply give away their valuable learned wisdom for free, especially a professional. 

I also appreciate that different books, of different eras, with different defects may require different techniques.   So there isn't going to be a "one size fits all" answer.  

But it's not a silly question to ask.  

[joeypost]

On 2/2/2022 at 9:16 AM, Axelrod said:

 

Yes, sure.  But also, one who has already gone through this trial and error stage could choose to share their learned wisdom.  That is a thing that one could do.

That is, I gather, what some of these youtube people are doing, but the different people are also giving out wildly differing advise as to how to do it, leading to the confusion.  

I do appreciate that someone who has put in the time and effort to learn proper technique might not want to simply give away their valuable learned wisdom for free, especially a professional. 

I also appreciate that different books, of different eras, with different defects may require different techniques.   So there isn't going to be a "one size fits all" answer.  

But it's not a silly question to ask.  

So…you want the diploma without taking the classes?

[Randall Dowling]

On 2/2/2022 at 8:03 PM, joeypost said:

So…you want the diploma without taking the classes?

Everybody wants to know the what and the how and think once they have it, they'll be just as good.  What they don't know is that the why is the most important thing and that takes a lot of practice.

Someone once asked Will Rogers how he got to have such good judgement.  He thought about for a second and said "Well, good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement."

[joeypost]

On 2/2/2022 at 9:17 PM, Randall Dowling said:

Everybody wants to know the what and the how and think once they have it, they'll be just as good.  What they don't know is that the why is the most important thing and that takes a lot of practice.

Someone once asked Will Rogers how he got to have such good judgement.  He thought about for a second and said "Well, good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement."

What makes someone an expert? 10,000 hours? I know people in their 60’s who aren’t experts at life yet. It’s a combination of factors, and taking shortcuts is not one of them. 

[jokiing]

On 2/2/2022 at 6:03 PM, joeypost said:

So…you want the diploma without taking the classes?

Like asking a magician to share their secrets.

[Gaard]

On 2/3/2022 at 5:11 PM, jokiing said:

Like asking a magician to share their secrets.

I was awestruck when I saw Chris Angel hoover. Still don't know how he does it. Has to be wires.

[The Lions Den]

On 2/3/2022 at 6:18 PM, Gaard said:

I was awestruck when I saw Chris Angel hoover. Still don't know how he does it. Has to be wires.

[Gaard]

On 2/3/2022 at 10:00 PM, The Lions Den said:

Yeah, I know, he sucks.

See what I did there?

[bayesian_acolyte]

Asking the advice of more experienced people isn't taking a shortcut, it's common sense and best practice when trying to learn anything new.

Imagine if someone was trying to learn how to build a deck for their house, and they post a question about deck building to a related online forum, and all the replies are deriding them for daring to try to take shortcuts instead of just experimenting building a bunch of practice decks. Like sure, there's no singular right way to build a deck, it depends on the type of deck you want, the budget, the local conditions, etc., and it's impossible to fully convey all the nuances of deck-building in a forum response. But there are still some general best practices that can be conveyed in text, and it's possible to point the questioner to some learning resources ("gems of wisdom") that are out there.

I can understand not wanting to answer, maybe because someone is worried about their secrets getting out (gotta protect those 10 month wait times) or maybe because they just don't feel like taking the time to answer. That's totally reasonable, it's your time and expertise, you aren't under any obligation to teach. But pretending like this is a skill where teaching is of no help is not reasonable. Pretending like it's not possible to give useful advice on the question OP asked is not reasonable. Making fun of them for daring to ask a question and trying to improve is not reasonable. 

Edited February 4, 2022 by bayesian_acolyte

[joeypost]

On 2/4/2022 at 8:23 AM, bayesian_acolyte said:

Asking the advice of more experienced people isn't taking a shortcut, it's common sense and best practice when trying to learn anything new.

Imagine if someone was trying to learn how to build a deck for their house, and they post a question about deck building to a related online forum, and all the replies are deriding them for daring to try to take shortcuts instead of just experimenting building a bunch of practice decks. Like sure, there's no singular right way to build a deck, it depends on the type of deck you want, the budget, the local conditions, etc., and it's impossible to fully convey all the nuances of deck-building in a forum response. But there are still some general best practices that can be conveyed in text, and it's possible to point the questioner to some learning resources ("gems of wisdom") that are out there.

I can understand not wanting to answer, maybe because someone is worried about their secrets getting out (gotta protect those 10 month wait times) or maybe because they just don't feel like taking the time to answer. That's totally reasonable, it's your time and expertise, you aren't under any obligation to teach. But pretending like this is a skill where teaching is of no help is not reasonable. Pretending like it's not possible to give useful advice on the question OP asked is not reasonable. Making fun of them for daring to ask a question and trying to improve is not reasonable. 

Pizza consists of the following: dough, sauce, cheese, individual toppings, oil, garlic and other spices and seasonings. Everyone knows pretty much how to assemble a pizza. Dough gets stretched out, then the sauce, then the cheese and topping, etc. Yet, there is a world of difference between a good pie and a great pie. What is that difference between a little Ceasars vs. a NY or Chicago pizza? Experience and ingredients. At a certain point those final tweaks can only be gained by putting in the time and experimenting. And you would be hard pressed to find someone willing to just give away their secrets that make them stand out. IMO it is bad form. 

 

One bit of advice I will give to any new DIY pressers is this; if you smell smoke, you have the heat set too high. 

[Nazirite]

On 2/4/2022 at 3:04 PM, joeypost said:

One bit of advice I will give to any new DIY pressers is this; if you smell smoke, you have the heat set too high. 

[bayesian_acolyte]

 

On 2/4/2022 at 11:04 AM, joeypost said:

Pizza consists of the following: dough, sauce, cheese, individual toppings, oil, garlic and other spices and seasonings. Everyone knows pretty much how to assemble a pizza. Dough gets stretched out, then the sauce, then the cheese and topping, etc. Yet, there is a world of difference between a good pie and a great pie. What is that difference between a little Ceasars vs. a NY or Chicago pizza? Experience and ingredients. At a certain point those final tweaks can only be gained by putting in the time and experimenting. And you would be hard pressed to find someone willing to just give away their secrets that make them stand out. IMO it is bad form. 

 

One bit of advice I will give to any new DIY pressers is this; if you smell smoke, you have the heat set too high. 

There are lots of professional cooks who give advice on how to cook pizzas that are an easy google search away, including tell-all Q&As with expert pizza cooks. If someone went to a cooking forum and asked advice on how to cook pizza, there would be lots of people willing to help them. What is preventing normal people from making legit expert NY pizza isn't anything as basic as recipe or cooking time and temp, and time and temp is all that's being asked here. 

In this quote you seem to be defending your right to stay out of it. That was never in question. In the post you quoted I clearly stated it was totally understandable for you not to want to give up your secrets. But you aren't staying out of it. What you are doing looks very much like bullying anyone who wants to start a discussion of pressing techniques, calling them lazy and saying they want to cut corners, in an attempt to strangle that discussion before it starts. There is a clear pattern any time something related to this topic comes up. 

You shouldn't feel threatened by some amateurs wanting to have a discussion. Your secrets are safe and nobody is demanding you give them up. If professional pizza chefs started going on to message boards attempting to squelch any discussion of pizza making techniques, they would look absurd.

[The Lions Den]

On 2/4/2022 at 4:41 AM, Gaard said:

Yeah, I know, he sucks.

See what I did there?

    You funny...

[joeypost]

On 2/4/2022 at 4:40 PM, bayesian_acolyte said:

 

There are lots of professional cooks who give advice on how to cook pizzas that are an easy google search away, including tell-all Q&As with expert pizza cooks. If someone went to a cooking forum and asked advice on how to cook pizza, there would be lots of people willing to help them. What is preventing normal people from making legit expert NY pizza isn't anything as basic as recipe or cooking time and temp, and time and temp is all that's being asked here. 

In this quote you seem to be defending your right to stay out of it. That was never in question. In the post you quoted I clearly stated it was totally understandable for you not to want to give up your secrets. But you aren't staying out of it. What you are doing looks very much like bullying anyone who wants to start a discussion of pressing techniques, calling them lazy and saying they want to cut corners, in an attempt to strangle that discussion before it starts. There is a clear pattern any time something related to this topic comes up. 

You shouldn't feel threatened by some amateurs wanting to have a discussion. Your secrets are safe and nobody is demanding you give them up. If professional pizza chefs started going on to message boards attempting to squelch any discussion of pizza making techniques, they would look absurd.

I would like to know how telling someone to put in the time and figure things out for themselves is bullying? I gave the same advice to a few board members here and they are now very adept at pressing books.
 

If you knew me, you would know I rarely feel threatened.  

Edited February 4, 2022 by joeypost