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C2E2 Variant Drama
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We realized Jason from Black Flag was a dishonest individual when we watched one of his early Facebook live streams and he put up a mystery box and showed a New Mutants #98 as the draw book for the mystery box. He started the mystery box out at around $600 and it ended up selling for $1000. That mystery lot had nothing in it besides that New Mutants #98. Mind you this was 5 years ago and that book was $200 raw. That was the last time we ever pulled up his auctions. There are red flags with sellers early on. We felt that was definitely one of them. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 7:58 PM, Skwerl said:

I would respect this if not for the fact that this acetate cover wasn't sanctioned by Marvel, i.e. it's a bootleg. And there are bootlegs of far higher quality (and even some with comparable "print" runs) that categorically get a green label because they're hack jobs. So no, you didn't treat this as you would any other variant, you treated it as you would any other official variant, and that's what's at issue. The Stray Dogs #1 acetate variant was done by Image, not some random dingbat goofballs. If I, as a comic book retailer no different in nature from Black Flag, decided to slap custom covers I came up with and printed at Sir Speedy onto a stack of Marvel comics without Marvel's knowledge, let alone their sanction, would those comics get a blue label from CGC? If so, then this is a huge change in policy for bootlegs, but either way, this isn't following precedent. It was an honest mistake, perhaps. But not in line with precedent. Anything added post-manufacturing by an entity that isn't the manufacturer/publisher is a hacked item. You can choose to not consider it a "defect," but if so, then it should be graded with qualification, as it is, by definition, a post-manufacture modification. "Manufacturing" need not be strictly defined as mechanical printing and binding; an extra cover manually attached, be it an acetate cover or paper cover or goat skin, or a rubber stamp, or a sticker, or handwritten scribbles or whatever else could theoretically be considered part of the "manufacturing process" if it's done/sanctioned by the publisher (or explicitly encouraged, as is the case with FCBD books with a huge area for retailer stamps), but no way if it's done by an unsanctioned third party. Because that could literally be anyone, doing anything.

I hate that I'm writing so much about such an ugly book, but whatever.

But they said why they did it... It's their company... We don't own it...They can do what they want... We don't have to give them the business tho. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:31 PM, ANDSOLDIT said:

We realized Jason from Black Flag was a dishonest individual when we watched one of his early Facebook live streams and he put up a mystery box and showed a New Mutants #98 as the draw book for the mystery box. He started the mystery box out at around $600 and it ended up selling for $1000. That mystery lot had nothing in it besides that New Mutants #98. Mind you this was 5 years ago and that book was $200 raw. That was the last time we ever pulled up his auctions. There are red flags with sellers early on. We felt that was definitely one of them. 

I'm just really pissed off that they call themselves Black Flag, one of my favorite bands and roach killing products.

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On 8/9/2022 at 5:10 PM, Skwerl said:

Incidentally, while I vastly prefer CGC over CBCS for myriad reasons, CBCS nailed their position on this situation:

 

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Yeah, that's what any normal collector would expect and it is the right way to treat these things.  (thumbsu

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On 8/9/2022 at 8:40 PM, Ron C. said:

I will continue to be a supporter of the CGC brand. That being said, I think they made an incorrect choice here.

lol... because they know the first sentence applies to you.... they don't care about the second sentence.

"I'll always use brand X, but Brand X should have done this differently"

Gets a company to change 0% of the time.

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On 8/9/2022 at 8:24 PM, CGC Mike said:

Only 57 notifications in 4 hours?  I am disappointed.

When future generations speak of the Great Encapsulation Crash of 2022...

The story will begin with this thread. 
 

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On 8/9/2022 at 8:42 PM, Gaard said:

I'm curious if anyone thinks they made a correct choice.

I don't see how even the CGC staff can possibly believe this was the correct choice.

So no.

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On 8/9/2022 at 7:38 PM, ComicsAndCode said:

I'm just really pissed off that they call themselves Black Flag, one of my favorite bands and roach killing products.

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