High grade, mid grade and low grade - ? 0

[Lazyboy]

On 8/10/2022 at 8:15 PM, valiantman said:

I was thinking we were on the CGC board. 

We are, but this isn't a concept exclusive to slabs. Also, 9.6 will never be low grade, no matter how many 9.8s (or above) exist.

[Artboy99]

There is no set parameters that can be established as to me it is a book by book scenario.

The age of the book must be considered. Example: an 8.0 of a 1940 book is a pretty strong copy, but an 8.0 of a relatively new book is pretty rough.

And then let's throw in an outlier where the highest known graded copy of a book is a 6.0 Is that considered mid-grade?

[Lazyboy]

On 8/10/2022 at 9:29 PM, Artboy99 said:

There is no set parameters that can be established as to me it is a book by book scenario.

The age of the book must be considered. Example: an 8.0 of a 1940 book is a pretty strong copy, but an 8.0 of a relatively new book is pretty rough.

And then let's throw in an outlier where the highest known graded copy of a book is a 6.0 Is that considered mid-grade?

That's all relative and, again, requires perfect knowledge of every copy. 6.0 is mid-grade whether it's the top seller from last week's new releases or a unique book with only a single extant copy.

[KirbyTown]

On 8/10/2022 at 9:29 PM, Artboy99 said:

The age of the book must be considered.

Yes, and at a minimum!

As far as CGC goes, there are proprietary sets of grading standards for a multitude of circumstances, including date ranges, features, and even particular issues. The casual collector can struggle with this, wondering why the grade criteria across books never seems to match up. When secret standards vary between even two different issues, how can one hope to internalize a grading standard to cover all issues?

Edited August 11, 2022 by KirbyTown

[Artboy99]

On 8/10/2022 at 9:01 PM, Lazyboy said:

That's all relative and, again, requires perfect knowledge of every copy. 6.0 is mid-grade whether it's the top seller from last week's new releases or a unique book with only a single extant copy.

Agreed!

[Sam T]

Ya'll are going off vibe for what feels like a straight up mathematical question.

Low: 0-3.5

Mid: 3.5-6.5

High: 6.5-10

 

But isn't this sort of irrelevant? The only person who's interpretation matters is the seller. If a seller calls something low grade it really doesn't matter what I think low grade means. This isn't really an abstract question, the real answer isn't based on the community, its based entirely on the transaction before you. It feels misleading to try to argue that there's a subjective but agreed upon definition of these terms. 

[valiantman]

On 8/11/2022 at 7:23 AM, Sam T said:

Ya'll are going off vibe for what feels like a straight up mathematical question.

Low: 0-3.5

Mid: 3.5-6.5

High: 6.5-10

There are 25 universal CGC grades (and 0 isn't one of them), you also included the same grades (3.5 and 6.5) in two different groups.

If you wanted to go with a simple math answer (using thirds), we'd have 8 low grades, 9 middle grades, and 8 high grades.

The 8 low grades would be 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 1.8, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5.  (0.5 to 3.5)

The 9 middle grades would be 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, 7.5, and 8.0.  (4.0 to 8.0)

The 8 high grades would be 8.5, 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, 9.9, and 10.  (8.5 to 10)

While it's a simple answer, it doesn't address the differences between a 1930s comic and a 2010s comic very well.

Edited August 12, 2022 by valiantman

[jcjames]

On 8/11/2022 at 7:34 AM, valiantman said:

There are 25 universal grades (and 0 isn't one of them), so if you wanted to go with a simple math answer (using thirds), we'd have 8 low grades, 9 middles grades, and 8 high grades.

The 8 low grades would be 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 1.8, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5.  (0.5 to 3.5)

The 9 middle grades would be 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, 7.5, and 8.0.  (4.0 to 8.0)

The 8 high grades would be 8.5, 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, 9.9, and 10.  (8.5 to 10)

While it's a simple answer, it doesn't address the differences between a 1930s comic and a 2010s comic very well.

Grade shouldn't be based on the age or the supply of the book, but only on the appearance of the particular individual copy being graded (and an idea of what the book most likely looked like at the time of production).

If it were not so, then the grade is also taking into account the probability of finding a better-appearing copy of the same book, as well as a measure of the handling and storage procedures that that particular book has been through, neither of which speculations should be part of the individual grading process of the particular book but rather clearly should be part of the valuation process of the particular book.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by jcjames

[southern cross]

As I previously posted I believe high grade starts at a 8.0.

For a modern it's still high grade though it's value is $1 box fodder as there are probably a lot of 9.8s in the market place.

I bought this fox giant many years ago and got it graded by another company.

 

It came back 5.5 unrestored.

Back then I checked both population reports, it may have changed since and at the time the highest graded copy on CGC population census had a copy 5.5 restored.

Since my copy is the highest unrestored is it high grade?

I say no as it is a mid grade copy. There's always a chance of better condition copies that have not been graded yet.

If there isn't and my copy is the best condition copy in existence it's still not high grade.

It's just the best condition surviving copy 👍

 

 

 

 

 

[marvelcollector]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:15 PM, PatrioticMarine said:

High grade = 8.0 and above
Mid grade = 6.0-7.5
Low grade = 0.5 to 5.5
 

Exactly what I've considered the definition.

 

....and with that I'm at 10,000 posts. Only took 18 years.

[bc]

On 8/11/2022 at 1:33 PM, marvelcollector said:

Exactly what I've considered the definition.

 

....and with that I'm at 10,000 posts. Only took 18 years.

Congrats!

-bc

[shadroch]

As a rule of thumb,I use HG to describe books in 8.0 or better, and low grade for books 3.0 and lower, but it is subjective.  Most modern books aren't desireable below 9.4, imo.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/11/2022 at 12:33 PM, marvelcollector said:

Exactly what I've considered the definition.

 

....and with that I'm at 10,000 posts. Only took 18 years.

 10,000 Highlighted  

[KirbyTown]

On 8/11/2022 at 9:34 AM, valiantman said:

There are 25 universal CGC grades (and 0 isn't one of them), you also included the same grades (3.5 and 6.5) in two different groups.

If you wanted to go with a simple math answer (using thirds), we'd have 8 low grades, 9 middles grades, and 8 high grades.

The 8 low grades would be 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 1.8, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5.  (0.5 to 3.5)

The 9 middle grades would be 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, 7.5, and 8.0.  (4.0 to 8.0)

The 8 high grades would be 8.5, 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, 9.9, and 10.  (8.5 to 10)

While it's a simple answer, it doesn't address the differences between a 1930s comic and a 2010s comic very well.

I swear, you quants and your...NUMBERS!

[Phicks]

The age of a book has nothing to do with whether we call it high grade or low grade.  An 8.0 is an 8.0, regardless of age.  They are just less common the older the books are.

[PatrioticMarine]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:29 PM, Lazyboy said:

Fixed (to remove the overlap), but

I didn't even notice that as I was reading through everyone's posts. Good eye.

Edited August 12, 2022 by PatrioticMarine

[lizards2]

On 8/11/2022 at 12:50 PM, KirbyTown said:

I swear, you quants and your...NUMBERS!

I will simplify to Mike's standards and measurements:

9.2 and above - keepers
8.5 - 9.0 run hole fillers
8.0 and below - burn barrel

[AndyFish]

Thanks for the fix and the support- there has to be a cutoff and it's all subjective-- VF is definitely a solid grade but VF+ is what I'll stick with.  

[musicmeta]

Some seller's on ebay...

High Grade 0.5 - 10 

Forget the other two.

[The lips]

Low .5 - 3.5

mid 4 - 7

high 7.5 - 10