Money Talks! Let's see those stacks of books you're NOT sending to CGC 1 1

[ExNihilo]

In light of every backwards step CGC has taken the last 3 years (and whatever else occurred before I joined the boards 5 years ago), it's time to put our money where our mouth is.  The quality of service has been on a downward trend from the high turnaround times, to the quality control issues, to the invisible graded book, to the C2E2/Black Flag variant which encompasses changing standards and allegations of paid grades, and so much more.  With each new issue that arises and each half assed corporate response that is frankly insulting to the community, many people have withheld piles of books for if a more trusted grading service should return.  CGC only understands dollar signs so let's see what exactly IS NOT getting sent for grading.

I'll start.

[Number 6]

Just some small potatoes:

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Edited August 13, 2022 by Number 6

[darkstar]

You can remove the allegations qualifier from the pay for grades part until CGC makes a public statement about the situation. There is simply no other explanation for that. 

[Axelrod]

Yeah, some of my very small potatoes 

 

 

*Though, if they get Mr. Simonson to do another signing it is possible I might crack and submit to that one.  I am weak.

These were in consideration for being sent in someday, but, currently I don't see that happening*

 

*Though, if they get Mr. Simonson to do another signing, I might crack and submit to that one.  I am weak.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Axelrod

[Gaard]

On 8/13/2022 at 5:36 PM, darkstar said:

You can remove the allegations qualifier from the pay for grades part until CGC makes a public statement about the situation. There is simply no other explanation for that. 

I agree that there is absolutely no question that CGC sold grades. A statement is not needed, however, because if they offer any other explanation it would be complete crap. (just like all the other statements we've been given)

[ExNihilo]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:36 PM, darkstar said:

You can remove the allegations qualifier from the pay for grades part until CGC makes a public statement about the situation. There is simply no other explanation for that. 

I was worried that without the "allegation" qualifier that the mods might shut the post down so I just erred on the side of caution by being more accusatory instead of making a potentially libel statement.

[ExNihilo]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:46 PM, Axelrod said:

Yeah, my very small potatoes

Nice book.  I'm looking for a raw copy myself.  I bought what I thought was a REALLY clean copy which I had signed by Stan and Al Milgrom (I think).  It came back like a 6.0 and the graders notes said "subscription crease".  I have no idea what that means as there are no color breaking creases.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/13/2022 at 5:31 PM, Number 6 said:

Just some small potatoes:

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Aqua man 57 & 60 

 

Childhood faves 

[Number 6]

I probably should add that, unlike the OP, I’m NOT waiting a 3rd party grading alternative. 
 

CGC as the “industry leader” has clearly shown us where this thing eventually leads, and I think it would be naïve to think this wouldn’t happen with another grading company. There’s just too much money being thrown around. 
 

I went from 3 boxes of CGC comics and growing down to one.  I think I’m probably pretty much done with 3rd party grading in particular and have been turned off of comics in general…at least for the time being. 

[ExNihilo]

On 8/13/2022 at 3:06 PM, Number 6 said:

I think I’m probably pretty much done with 3rd party grading in particular and have been turned off of comics in general…at least for the time being. 

It's weird, I've had a bit of the same thing.  I frequent the comicbookcollecting sub on reddit pretty frequently, but every since C2E2, less so.  I had stopped buying variants before everything blew up, but the entire incident has given me a greater disdain for variants than before.  I get it, people like the art.  Like I said, I bought variants pretty frequently in the past (I mean, I even posted a pic of one).  But this feels like a breaking point to me.  What's sad is the reason why I like slabs is because it makes it easier for someone to value their big books without fear of getting ripped off.  If I have to start explaining why two universal books suddenly don't mean the same thing, then that sort of defeats the purpose of grading for me.

Then again, the reason why I haven't been on the comicbookcollecting sub could also be because keeping up with that C2E2 thread was like having a second job.  

[chrisco37]

[Courageous Cat]

all buisnesses make mistakes and poor choices. Sorry, but I'm still a fan of their product

[Krismusic]

Was actually preparing some books to maybe submit but might just wait… 

was going to send these in as well as some ASM 

[ExNihilo]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:35 PM, Krismusic said:

 

Wow that's an old book.  

[Gaard]

On 8/13/2022 at 9:44 PM, Courageous Cat said:

all buisnesses make mistakes and poor choices. Sorry, but I'm still a fan of their product

Do all businesses lie to their customers about their mistakes and poor choices?

 

Also, I am 100% a fan of their product. I abhor the company.

Edited August 14, 2022 by Gaard

[Lord Gemini]

On 8/14/2022 at 8:25 AM, Gaard said:

Do all businesses lie to their customers about their mistakes and poor choices?

 

Also, I am 100% a fan of their product. I abhor the company.

And yet, they're still the best thing out there. I'm not going 100% raw just yet.

[Cat]

On 8/14/2022 at 7:31 AM, Number 6 said:

Just some small potatoes:

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I know this lot is meant for grading, but how are those old BOTP comics? Are the stories any good by today's standards, or the standards of the time? 

[MAR1979]

I quit sending books to CGC last Nov. Since I have not and do not sell comics I decided why wait 8-15 months to get them back and why let CGC damage more of my books.

I have, make that HAD 7 magazine* sized boxes full of books I triaged and were waiting for submittal; 20% Silver/40% Bronze/40% Copper - 292 books to be precise that I would have sent 25-50 each month from Nov 2021 - July 2023, not that Blackrock/CGC could care less.

Will I ever submit those books? I do not know. My guess is as long as Blackrock owns them Q/C dept will not be re-instated or be staffed to actually do proper work AND CGC if continues to sell grades I will not send them any more of my books to manhandle.   To think just a few years ago i used to "champion" CGC, man was i naive.  A metaphorical double bird flip to the parent company of CGC for what they have done.

*= I use Silver/Gold Mylars and magazine boxes work nicely with my custom soft food inserts on the sides.

 

No pics as I now have those 7 boxes formally designated for CGC submission nicely stored away. Next time I have them out I take pics, assuming CGC has not deleted this thread by then.

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by MAR1979

[Number 6]

On 8/14/2022 at 7:00 AM, Cat said:

I know this lot is meant for grading, but how are those old BOTP comics? Are the stories any good by today's standards, or the standards of the time? 

That’s a tough question to answer. 
 

If you’re asking ME what I personally think of them, I think they have certain charm, the Mortimer art is decent and serviceable, but I also go into it understanding what they are: a comic book adaptation aimed at children of a children’s cartoon that was further whitewashed and dumbed down for American child audiences. 
 

If you’re asking how I think these hold up to modern comic books - understanding that I’m not a fan of moderns and stopped reading them a long time ago - suffice to say I don’t think these would hold up for someone  whose more acclimated to moderns. 
 

The people who are paying hundreds for the first issue are doing so solely for movie spec, I have a hard time imagining any one of them actually having an inkling of an interest to read it. 
 

A few years ago, one of the publishers (IDW? Top Cow? Image? I can’t remember) did a TPB reprint of the GK issues. I think it’s OOP but think it’s probably still an affordable enough way to sample the content. 

[Cat]

On 8/15/2022 at 1:50 AM, Number 6 said:

That’s a tough question to answer. 
 

If you’re asking ME what I personally think of them, I think they have certain charm, the Mortimer art is decent and serviceable, but I also go into it understanding what they are: a comic book adaptation aimed at children of a children’s cartoon that was further whitewashed and dumbed down for American child audiences. 
 

If you’re asking how I think these hold up to modern comic books - understanding that I’m not a fan of moderns and stopped reading them a long time ago - suffice to say I don’t think these would hold up for someone  whose more acclimated to moderns. 
 

The people who are paying hundreds for the first issue are doing so solely for movie spec, I have a hard time imagining any one of them actually having an inkling of an interest to read it. 
 

A few years ago, one of the publishers (IDW? Top Cow? Image? I can’t remember) did a TPB reprint of the GK issues. I think it’s OOP but think it’s probably still an affordable enough way to sample the content. 

Thanks, that was exactly what I was after, and I'll keep an eye out for that tpb. That's exactly what I want.