Modern Tier Grading is a joke...CGC just lost all of my future business. 3 3

[NumminzAK]

Sent in 75 books for modern grading. All books were in great condition before being sent in...used a high profile professional pressing company that is certified by CGC. Went 10/75 9.8....which is about 60% lower than I have ever had. After reviewing the books in hand...easily 30 of them were severely under-graded. I now have some of the nicest, most pristine, spine tick free...flat....sharp cornered 9.0 books you have ever seen. I've asked CGC what can be done...they reply "we will look into it" or "nothing can be done...trust us...we do not make mistakes." I want to be clear...I'm not upset that everything wasn't magically a 9.8...but something went severely wrong with this order and CGC simply doesn't care whatsoever about retaining customers. This is a money grab...they are pushing books through and I believe either guessing at grades or maybe even diluting the 9.8 pool at this point. If you get really cynical...you could say it's a win win for them right? The majority of people will crack these cases and re-submit the books...doubling CGC profits. I'm done with this company...the books I have in my hands simply do not match what CGC is trying to sell on this order. If there are grader notes...which most do not have...what they state I am not seeing. It's a money grab with no process for the customer to dispute the results.

Edited September 8, 2022 by NumminzAK

[Tnexus]

What are the grader notes?

I'm guessing if you have a lot of 9.0s, then you probably have light spine rolls.

[NumminzAK]

Most have no grader notes...the ones that do...I seriously do not see anything they note. Even within this batch I have several 9.0 that look far better than some that got 9.4. Again...I'm fine with grades that make sense and that you can see what they dinged them for...that's not what this order is...it just isn't. I have owned 9.8 that had worse spines than any of these...lol.

[Sigur Ros]

It's CGC. 

Just the luck of the draw, dude.

[SkOw]

On 9/8/2022 at 12:20 PM, Sigur Ros said:

It's CGC. 

Just the luck of the draw, dude.

Wtf. 

[kimik]

On 9/8/2022 at 10:51 AM, SkOw said:

On 9/8/2022 at 10:20 AM, Sigur Ros said:

It's CGC. 

Just the luck of the draw, dude.

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Wtf. 

Gift grades are to be appreciated and quickly flipped!

Edited September 8, 2022 by kimik

[kazoo]

They hired a new top grader -- Stevie Wonder 

[NumminzAK]

Exactly...every 9.0 I just got back are far cleaner than that book.

 

[Old Fashion PB and J]

post some scans.

[Artboy99]

Here is a 9.8 i had. Definitely is some luck of the draw

[mattn792]

So this is the second time in two weeks you've been "done" with CGC...

"I’ve sent orders in the past that got a decent amount of cgc 9.8 for modern books. I paid for a third party presser for books that looked perfect in

the first place...my latest order didn’t have a single 9.8 out

of 25 books...and several got hit down to 8.5 for « light finger prints » with no other issues. My presser wears gloves and does great work and was responsible for a 24/25 9.8 submission in the past...there is just no way this is correct. My take is cgc has a bunch of untrained staff doing sloppy work. Here I sit with no recourse...cgc takes no

blame. I’m done with this company."

(Had to copy and paste since the other thread is locked)

All your books apparently look perfect, so let's see a scan or seven of these books that supposedly got jobbed.

[NumminzAK]

The first post was when I saw the grades online, this post is with updated status of having them in my hands to actually see for myself. And instead of the books being damaged by CGC...it's now clear they really just tossed grades at books that are not remotely 9.0. But hey, thanks for the trolling. I'm by far not the only one experiencing this...there are many, many youtube video's of long time CGC submitters experiencing the same results and posting them. I will definitely get some scans up soon. As I said...even within this single bunch...there are books that are 9.0 that are cleaner than some that got 9.6.

Edited September 8, 2022 by NumminzAK

[kimik]

It is well known by now that they are very strict with Moderns. People have been commenting/complaining for a couple of years now. Copper and Late Bronze is a better era to submit IMHO as they appear to press out more easily than moderns and there are ton of $500 - $1000 in 9.8 books to chase raw. The price point on a lot of these books raw is sub $100 (or even sub $50) and they fetch a very nice premium.

Edited September 8, 2022 by kimik

[djpinkpanther67]

Where’s the books in question?

Post pics.
The accompanying graders’ notes on the ones that have them would be helpful as well.

[WolverineX]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:33 AM, NumminzAK said:

Sent in 75 books for modern grading. All books were in great condition before being sent in...used a high profile professional pressing company that is certified by CGC. Went 10/75 9.8....which is about 60% lower than I have ever had. After reviewing the books in hand...easily 30 of them were severely under-graded. I now have some of the nicest, most pristine, spine tick free...flat....sharp cornered 9.0 books you have ever seen. I've asked CGC what can be done...they reply "we will look into it" or "nothing can be done...trust us...we do not make mistakes." I want to be clear...I'm not upset that everything wasn't magically a 9.8...but something went severely wrong with this order and CGC simply doesn't care whatsoever about retaining customers. This is a money grab...they are pushing books through and I believe either guessing at grades or maybe even diluting the 9.8 pool at this point. If you get really cynical...you could say it's a win win for them right? The majority of people will crack these cases and re-submit the books...doubling CGC profits. I'm done with this company...the books I have in my hands simply do not match what CGC is trying to sell on this order. If there are grader notes...which most do not have...what they state I am not seeing. It's a money grab with no process for the customer to dispute the results.

 

Sent in a pristine ASM 361. came back 9.4

[CheeseFrog]

Curious to see images as well.

I've had around 30 moderns come back to me in the past month from various orders.  All looked 9.8 to me...

83% came back 9.8, the remaining 9.6...

That's a pretty good batting average!

I suspect you may be mis-judging your books. Side note, that MS32 above looks Photoshopped.

[NumminzAK]

I have no problem looking at books I send and seeing grades that make sense and acknowledging that I sent something in that shouldn't have gone. That's not what's happening here. As I mentioned...if you're interested in seeing the trend...check out several of the frequent submitters on youtube who are experiencing as similar shift. There is clearly a change happening and it should be a concern for everyone...CGC is supposed to be the gold standard and demand premium pricing...if this continues...there will be no point.

Edited September 8, 2022 by NumminzAK

[kimik]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:35 AM, Artboy99 said:

Here is a 9.8 i had. Definitely is some luck of the draw

Is that the raw 8.0 you bought from me? 

[Artboy99]

CGC has also had a long history of  loose grading then changing to tight grading. Consistency is currently not their strong point.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Artboy99

[greggy]

I got the good grader on this one