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Paypal institutes $2500 fine for anyone who promotes "misinformation" and then pulls the rule after massive public backlash.
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On 10/12/2022 at 11:26 AM, MAR1979 said:

IMHO this topic does not belong in Comics General. Seems suited for The Water Cooler.

@CGC Mike what is your opinion?

Mike is watching this thread. He's been commenting, cleaning it up, ridding the troll multiple times, etc.

Seems he's already established it's ok to be in CG.

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On 10/12/2022 at 10:49 AM, VintageComics said:

Listen to interviews with Alex Berenson to understand the full implications of Section 230, it's failings, how inadequate (and even corrupt) it is and how it will be challenged eventually.

Alex was banned off of social media (Twitter), took it to court, won and ended up getting reinstated - but the only reason he was reinstated was because he had private, internal communication with someone inside Twitter assuring him that he was doing nothing wrong.

If he didn't have this communication with someone inside Twitter he would never have been reinstated.  

Why was he shut down?

Internal government documents explain that the Federal government specifically targeted him for spreading 'misinformation' when in fact he wasn't spreading misinformation.

That's how faulty section 230 is.

And that's the problem with Paypal's position of fining someone $2500 for "spreading misinformation".

As Jaybuck stated, there's no due process. It's arbitrary. 

 

Section 230 is archaic (decades old) and it is going to be challenged on many fronts. 

It protects MANY of the wrong people currently. 

 

Man if you think Section 230 is archaic, what must you think about the rules regulating Television and Radio? lol Just because something was written a while ago doesn't make it "bad".  Section 230 is also the reason you HAVE the internet as you know it.  The boards, the eBay chat before it, etc, all only exist because of Section 230.  Section 230 isn't responsible for Berenson getting thrown off Twitter, or responsible for getting him back on.  

Also no "internal government documents" explained the federal government was targeting him for spreading misinformation.  Berenson tweeted a picture of a comment made by twitter workers asking what the takeaway from a meeting with a White House official was.  The answer was that they had asked a bunch of questions, including why Berenson hadn't been kicked off the platform.  There was no demand to do so.  It's like if I asked CGC mike why @Buzzettahadn't been banned.  "Hey Mike, he keeps wishing people death on Christmas, why hasn't he been banned"?  I'm not running a conspiracy against him, im trying to get information so I understand how come he hasn't been removed. 

The lack of moderation (or the over moderation) of a platform has absolutely nothing to do with Section 230.

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On 10/12/2022 at 1:00 PM, CAHokie said:
On 10/12/2022 at 12:31 PM, jaybuck43 said:

if I asked CGC mike why @Buzzettahadn't been banned

I have been asking that for years and demand answers! :sumo:

I recommend having @Domo Arigato start a poll.

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Who defines generally accepted knowledge is humanity.  The single greatest creation of human beings is our ever growing archive of knowledge, accumulated over the centuries and from around the globe, and stored since the dawn of humanity in multiple ways.  As an example, the aseptic techniques required to minimize the risk of transmitting infectious pathogens to patients undergoing surgical procedures are well established and include a set of barrier methods, such as the use of sterile gloves, sterile gowns, sterile masks, sterile drapes, and protective wrappers on sterilized instruments.

As for private companies, it's their own business, so long as it breaks no laws or established ethical lines.  Consumers, of course, maintain the freedom to decide whether or not to work with whatever businesses they choose.  I've used PayPal this year doing some selling on the Boards, and the next time I've got a sale ready will have to make a decision on payment options that will include their policies at the time.  I've contemplated already setting up a cryptocurrency wallet for accepting payments as a possible alternative. [Venmo is a security risk of a no deal for me].

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On 10/12/2022 at 1:11 PM, namisgr said:

Who defines generally accepted knowledge is humanity.  The single greatest creation of human beings is our ever growing archive of knowledge, accumulated over the centuries and from around the globe, and stored since the dawn of humanity in multiple ways.

As for private companies, it's their own business, so long as it breaks no laws or established ethical lines.  Consumers, of course, maintain the freedom to decide whether or not to work with whatever businesses they choose.

So they are establishing their own "ethical lines".

I feel like I want to drag out Yoda (the adult one not the baby one...although the baby one is cuter) and have him make some wise, profound remark about the differences in perception about that kind of stuff lately.

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On 10/12/2022 at 11:23 AM, skypinkblu said:

So they are establishing their own "ethical lines".

I feel like I want to drag out Yoda (the adult one not the baby one...although the baby one is cuter) and have him make some wise, profound remark about the differences in perception about that kind of stuff lately.

How about Yoda saying this to PayPal.....(shrug)

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On 10/12/2022 at 1:23 PM, skypinkblu said:

So they are establishing their own "ethical lines".

 

I was referring to business practices in relation to societal ethical lines.  Nobody with any sanity is looking to PayPal to be a societal leader in ethics.  But if their practices break neither laws or societal ethical lines, what's left is for consumers to decide who to do their business with.  The company is under no obligation to do something on behalf of a customer that violates their policies.

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On 10/12/2022 at 10:23 AM, skypinkblu said:

So they are establishing their own "ethical lines".

I feel like I want to drag out Yoda (the adult one not the baby one...although the baby one is cuter) and have him make some wise, profound remark about the differences in perception about that kind of stuff lately.

You don't have your own ethical lines?

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On 10/12/2022 at 6:45 AM, F For Fake said:

Well, you can still use Paypal, you just can't use it for eBay sales.

 

what are you saying - I havent sold on ebay in a while if I sell something where does the money go?

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