ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[GDN]

On 12/21/2023 at 1:44 PM, VintageComics said:

CGC will have this info on their end. 

Of course.  But I'm responding to someone telling us or YTubers to waste time looking up other numbers that will only reference a legit submission.

[PKJ]

This is crazy and reminds me very much the Toy Toni issue that scared away a ton of Palitoy collectors (myself included).

[jason4]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:45 PM, GDN said:

Here are the better quality photos from GoCollect for the green label one:

Bottom left front cover to me 100% tells me it's the same exact book. 

[mephistopheles]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:39 PM, comicwiz said:

These are the highest res I could get through WP - look at that back cover staple, particularly the distinct characteristic that looks like either staple wear or early rust migration

[Buzzetta]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:05 AM, paqart said:

Already happened: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/technology/01ebay.html

Very different.

Extremely different.

Apples to oranges. 

[GDN]

On 12/21/2023 at 1:49 PM, jason4 said:

Bottom left front cover to me 100% tells me it's the same exact book. 

Spine ticks match also.  Like the ones above and below the "he's here" box

[MisterMR]

On 12/21/2023 at 1:47 PM, GDN said:

Of course.  But I'm responding to someone telling us or YTubers to waste time looking up other numbers that will only reference a legit submission.

100% this. Looking up entire submissions via a cert # isn’t going to help any of us. 

[GDN]

I'm not touching a blue label 181 with a 10 foot pole going forward.  I wonder how many are out there without the MVS?

BrysComics had a video 2 weeks ago where someone cracked a very old blue label 181 to do CPR and found the MVS missing.  I don't think that one was this same scam as that label was super old.

[LDarkseid1]

On 12/21/2023 at 1:53 PM, GDN said:

I'm not touching a blue label 181 with a 10 foot pole going forward.  I wonder how many are out there without the MVS?

BrysComics had a video 2 weeks ago where someone cracked a very old blue label 181 to do CPR and found the MVS missing.  I don't think that one was this same scam as that label was super old.

CPR?

 

[drotto]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:55 PM, LDarkseid1 said:

CPR?

 

Crack

Press

Regrade

[comicwiz]

This is the same book, from the blue 8.5 (clearer pic) it looks like a tiny tear or staple pull

Edited December 21, 2023 by comicwiz

[PopKulture]

On 12/21/2023 at 3:49 PM, jason4 said:

Bottom left front cover to me 100% tells me it's the same exact book. 

That, and the location of a few spine ticks.

[mephistopheles]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:53 PM, GDN said:

I'm not touching a blue label 181 with a 10 foot pole going forward.  I wonder how many are out there without the MVS?

BrysComics had a video 2 weeks ago where someone cracked a very old blue label 181 to do CPR and found the MVS missing.  I don't think that one was this same scam as that label was super old.

What a @#$%^ mess. CGC's reputation is going to be tarnished for a long time.

Edited December 21, 2023 by mephistopheles

[drotto]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:50 PM, GDN said:

Spine ticks match also.  Like the ones above and below the "he's here" box

Ticks near Wolvies claw also line up exactly. I agree same book.

 

Is anyone willing to go to Sarasota and crack one of these books open in front of CGC witnesses, if the owner can be found?

Edited December 21, 2023 by drotto

[AbsoluteCarnage]

Qualified 8.5 spine ticks

 

Universal 8.5 spine ticks 

[comicwiz]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:49 PM, PKJ said:

This is crazy and reminds me very much the Toy Toni issue that scared away a ton of Palitoy collectors (myself included).

And how surreal that I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but yeah I agree...

[comicwiz]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:59 PM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

Qualified 8.5 spine ticks

 

Universal 8.5 spine ticks 

Actually it was that first tick near the marquee that made me look closer, because the pics on WP were too small. Props to those who provided better pics!

[drotto]

Really glad my H181 was bought from a local shop raw, and checked for the stamp. I later had it stabbed.  I can say at least mine is 100% accurate.

[AbsoluteCarnage]

Good find @comicwiz

[mephistopheles]

Well if nothing else, Santa delivered content to the youtube comic guys. And it's the gift that keeps on giving.