ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[milk_man]

If you're wondering how this is possible, one avenue is CGCs terrible quality control.

During the pandemic, CGC sent out countless books without having sealed their holders. My assumption was a mix of new staff and high demand led to mistakes. I've seen a few of these books in person.

Here's an example of an EoSV #2 CGC 9.8 I purchased from an online seller. The book inside is absolutely not a 9.8 yet it's correctly sealed in the inner-well. The outer holder isn't damage at all, it was simply never welded together.

The holographic sticker is part of the holder, not the label, so anyone can swap the 3 components (holder, inner well with book, label) or print their own label to make their own CGC graded book.

[THE_BEYONDER]

[comicwiz]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:02 PM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

Good find @comicwiz

I have a sinking feeling things are just warming-up...

[Timed]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:02 PM, drotto said:

Really glad my H181 was bought from a local shop raw, and checked for the stamp. I later had it stabbed.  I can say at least mine is 100% accurate.

Sorry drotto, while I would love to believe you, the only way to prove that it has the MVS now seems to be cracking it open. Since CGC slabs have lost their credibility.

[Heronext]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:04 PM, comicwiz said:

I have a sinking feeling things are just warming-up...

What a disaster 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:04 PM, comicwiz said:

I have a sinking feeling things are just warming-up...

[Bo1983]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:29 PM, comicwiz said:

I think I found another IH 181 from green to blue... getting images and screenshots together

There’s thousands of books out there now most likely!

[Christophe9999]

Beyond a shadow of a doubt these are the same books. I upped the contrast on the green label to better see.

 

 

[Timed]

[Bo1983]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:02 PM, drotto said:

Really glad my H181 was bought from a local shop raw, and checked for the stamp. I later had it stabbed.  I can say at least mine is 100% accurate.

Check your scans and make your could be a inside job!

[comicwiz]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:15 PM, Christophe9999 said:

Beyond a shadow of a doubt these are the same books. I upped the contrast on the green label to better see.

 

 

Nice job juxtaposing the two!

[milk_man]

Sorry to break it to you guys but there are tons of professionals out there who repeatedly, successfully marry covers, tattoos and marvel-value stamp wraps to receive a CGC blue label.

If the pages are the same size, color and the staple holes line up, CGC has no reasonable way to call them married.

All these Hulk 181s with different cert numbers means it's not an abuse of the reholdering process, it's someone cracking green labels, marrying the MVS wrap and resubmitting for a new blue label.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:19 PM, comicwiz said:

Nice job juxtaposing the two!

Is this 181 from the same seller as the MJ inserts?

[paqart]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:45 PM, GDN said:

Here are the better quality photos from GoCollect for the green label one:

I'm not convinced these are the same comic. The dents in the back cover don't look the same to me. A pressing might have caused that, but there are also a couple of spots on one image that are missing from the other. On e is center left of the big blue arrow at bottom left of BC, the other is upper right of group of horizontal turquoise lines that appear in bottom right of coupon.

[Buzzetta]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:20 PM, milk_man said:

Sorry to break it to you guys but there are tons of professionals out there who repeatedly, successfully marry covers, tattoos and marvel-value stamp wraps to receive a CGC blue label.

If the pages are the same size, color and the staple holes line up, CGC has no reasonable way to call them married.

All these Hulk 181s with different cert numbers means it's not an abuse of the reholdering process, it's someone cracking green labels, marrying the MVS wrap and resubmitting for a new blue label.

Or the old Lakeside Tattooz FF 252 transfer to an ASM 238 switcheroo. 

[paqart]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:50 PM, Buzzetta said:

Very different.

Extremely different.

Apples to oranges. 

Stealing apples is the same as stealing oranges.

[apoptosis]

I have been looking through this to make sure I don't have any of these books and noticed a few things I haven't seen mentioned (I haven't read every post, just a lot):

1) He has been double selling these on eBay, same cert# sold week apart.  Could be buyer didn't pay, or maybe he is shrill bidding...

2120143023	Sold 2023-11-21, 2023-12-05
4245731004	Sold 2023-10-19, 2023-10-31
4287881003	Sold 2023-10-17, 2023-11-14

 

2) Here are likely submissions made by seller.  If he just re-holdered a single book you can't tell but some of these he submitted for in a batch, I would also check any of these books if you have.

4286817001 through 4286817004

4310701001 through 4310701008

4324007001 through 4324007007

4329914001 through 4329914006

4341610001 through 4341610002

4343218001 through 4343218005

 

[Christophe9999]

On 12/21/2023 at 2:20 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Is this 181 from the same seller as the MJ inserts?

yes it's the same seller

 

[comicwiz]

On 12/21/2023 at 5:20 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Is this 181 from the same seller as the MJ inserts?

Yes, although he seems to have changed his name now

Edited February 15 by comicwiz

[paqart]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:59 PM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

Qualified 8.5 spine ticks

 

Universal 8.5 spine ticks 

Ok, now I'm convinced.