ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[agamoto]

On 12/26/2023 at 2:58 PM, skybolt said:

My apologies for getting the dates wrong, but my comment stands. What I'm saying is the book graded on 2/28 is not the same book in the universal holder now. That one was a legitimate universal 6.5.  if the scammer switched this book with green label one and sent it in for reholdering a month later, the grading date would remain as 2/28, but with the green label book in there now. 

No, not necessarily. I've come across all sorts of books where the reholder triggered a new graded date. 

[agamoto]

On 12/26/2023 at 2:27 PM, Buzzetta said:

Keep in mind that he may not have tried to sell the books on Comiclink at all or anywhere else at all.  Those sales and attempted sales may be from people looking to unload something they bought.  We saw that with the Promise Collection how some books purchased through Heritage wound up on Comiclink months later. 

Sure, but in the case of the repeated eBay sales, it's the same pictures and the same ad copy. Folks trying to unload books they bought off eBay don't usually just copy the original pics and ad copy. 

[Iconic1s]

On 12/26/2023 at 6:32 PM, agamoto said:

No, not necessarily. I've come across all sorts of books where the reholder triggered a new graded date. 

I think that’s weird then… I’ve done probably 100 or so reholders total and never had a grade date or cert # change.

[agamoto]

Then perhaps the scam here with our lil' buddy isn't reholders, it's reholder for a custom label, unless you're saying you've submitted yours for the same. Either or, just demonstrates further inconsistencies CGC sure as hell better start addressing, chicken louie. 

[Iconic1s]

On 12/26/2023 at 7:03 PM, agamoto said:

Then perhaps the scam here with our lil' buddy isn't reholders, it's reholder for a custom label, unless you're saying you've submitted yours for the same. Either or, just demonstrates further inconsistencies CGC sure as hell better start addressing, chicken louie. 

Mine were all just straight up reholders… no custom labels or anything else.

[Randall Dowling]

On 12/26/2023 at 6:30 PM, agamoto said:

Since I already looked at all the ASM 300's a few dozen pages back, I thought I'd go back and look at them all again, but this time look at the entire submission groups when those ASM 300's were submitted. Found quite a few suspect books that will need closer examination, some already uncovered such as the ASM 194 I confirmed swapped in one of my other posts. 

Well, popped a red bull and looked at all the CGC cert pages for the books from his ASM 300 submissions, and found some more suspect books to look closer at.

Notes. Those saying the date doesn't get changed on a reholder, I may have to disagree with ya on that, as these results seem to indicate when the GROUP submission's original grade date was and with much different grading dates for a few of the books. I also flagged the books that had images in the census before CGC announded in 8/1/2023 they'd be providing that info for everyone to enjoy.

What is completely blowing my mind here is the consistency with how often similar books are being sent in, and how consistent the 9.8 assignments are, especially with all the really rare books like the canadian price variants. Many of the 9.8's have grader notes that indicate bends and/or stress lines you'd think would normally disqualify a book from a 9.8

Again, this isn't an exhaustive list of every submission, just the one I generated based on all the ASM 300's he submitted.

Quite a remarkable track record. 

4071124001 - 6/01/2022 ASM 194 9.4
4071124002 - 6/01/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4071124003 - 6/01/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4071124004 - 6/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4071124005 - 6/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4106625001 - 8/10/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4106625002 - 10/27/2022 ASM 194 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4106625003 - 8/10/2022 ASM 300 9.8 
4106625004 - 8/10/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4094947001 - 7/25/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4094947002 - 7/25/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4094947003 - 7/25/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4094947004 - 7/25/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4154321001 - 1/5/2023 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4154321002 - 11/09/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4154321003 - 11/09/2022 ASM 238 9.8 
4154321004 - 11/09/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4154321005 - 11/09/2022 Batman 608 9.8 Retailer Incentive
4154321006 - 11/09/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8
4154321007 - 11/09/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant

4109596001 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.6
4109596002 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4109596003 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4109596004 - 8/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8 - Suspect book... This one sold THREE times on eBay
4109596005 - 8/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4137132001 - 10/11/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8
4137132002 - 10/11/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant
4137132003 - 10/11/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4137132004 - 12/01/2022 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)

4129851001 - 9/22/2022 FF 48 5.5 
4129851002 - 9/22/2022 IH 181 7.5 
4129851003 - 9/22/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4121886001 - 09/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4121886002 - 09/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4121886003 - 09/12/2022 ASM 300 9.6
4121886004 - 09/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4121886005 - 09/12/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4121886006 - 09/12/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8

4199541001 - 02/08/2023 ASM 194 9.8 Suspect Book, has image/custom label, prior to 8/1/2023
4199541002 - 02/08/2023 ASM 194 9.8 
4199541003 - 04/04/2023 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4199541004 - 10/30/2023 ASM 300 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4199541005 - 02/08/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4199541006 - 02/08/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8

4148457001 - 11/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4148457002 - 11/01/2022 ASM 194 9.6
4148457003 - 11/01/2022 ASM 129 8.5 Suspect Book, has image/custom label, prior to 8/1/2023

4221342001 - 3/20/2023 ASM 238 9.8
4221342002 - 3/20/2023 ASM 238 9.8
4221342003 - 3/20/2023 ASM 252 9.8
4221342004 - 3/20/2023 IH 340 9.8
4221342005 - 3/20/2023 ASM 300 9.8 - Suspect Book, sold multiple times on Ebay
4221342006 - 3/20/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Newsstand

4245189001 - 5/1/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Newsstand
4245189002 - 5/1/2023 IH 181 9.0 - Suspect Book, has image/custom label prior to 8/1/2023
4245189003 - 5/1/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4245189004 - 5/1/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4245189005 - 5/1/2023 Captain America 261 9.8 - Quadruple Cover

4265049001 - 6/2/2023 - Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant
4265049002 - 6/26/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book, date, and image in census shows a Canadian PV. Label Wrong 
4265049003 - 8/2/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, date, Canadian Price Variant, it's imaged, Not the same book as cert#4265049002
4265049004 - 6/2/2023 - ASM 194 9.8 - Suspect, it's imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4265049005 - 6/26/2023 - IH 340 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, date/imaged prior to 8/1/2023
4265049006 - 6/2/2023 - ASM 300 9.8

4252433001 - 6/14/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, imaged in census prior to 8/1/2023
4252433002 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 238 9.8
4252433003 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 252 9.8
4252433004 - 6/14/2023 - Secret Wars 8 Newsstand Canadian Price Variant - suspect Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4252433005 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 194 9.8
4252433006 - 5/11/2023 - IH 340 9.8
4252433007 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
 
4153803001 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.6
4153803002 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.4
4153803003 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.8
4153803004 - 11/18/2022 - ASM 300 - 9.6
4153803005 - 11/18/2022 - Batman Adventures 12 9.8
4153803006 - 11/18/2022 - Detective Comics 411 8.5

4324007001 - 9/13/2023 - X-Men 266 9.8
4324007002 - 9/13/2023 - X-Men 266 9.8
4324007003 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 252 9.8 Newsstand
4324007004 - 9/13/2023 - Secret Wars 8 Newsstand 
4324007005 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
4324007006 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
4324007007 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8

4287881001 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 194 9.8 Newsstand, Suspect, Imaged prior to 8/1/2023
4287881002 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 300 9.6 Suspect, Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4287881003 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 300 9.8 Suspect, Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023

 

Reading this list, I'm reminded of these threads:

 

[pdags]

On 12/26/2023 at 6:54 PM, comicwiz said:

Can you elaborate more on this?

Sorry, I didn't use eBay for the search.  In this case, I simply used "Zaneglor" as a required search in Google and immediately got the Mavin.io hit.  See second returned result in the 1st screenshot.  I then did a Google search for the serial number and it returned the Heritage Auction hit.  See 2nd screenshot.  I then compared the images between HA and Mavin.io and noted they were clearly different.  I then looked up the Serial Number on CGC and could tell it was describing the HA book, but not the Mavin.io book.  That's when I posted asking for confirmation.

I don't have access to GPA, GoCollect, WorthPoint, etc. to verify history.

 

On 12/26/2023 at 6:54 PM, comicwiz said:

Is this zaneglor a confirmed account linked to briva3?

I assumed so based on how I interpreted thread posts at the time.  Since then, the user name was included on summary post (linked below).  If it hasn't been confirmed, it should be removed from the summary post.

Did that answer your questions sufficiently?

 

 

 

Edited to note bsmith found this before I did.  Not sure how I missed his post, but a lot was going on then.  Maybe his post was delayed in posting because it was his first (That's what happened to me).

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by pdags

[comicwiz]

On 12/26/2023 at 8:11 PM, pdags said:

Sorry, I didn't use eBay for the search.  In this case, I simply used "Zaneglor" as a required search in Google and immediately got the Mavin.io hit.  See second returned result in the 1st screenshot.  I then did a Google search for the serial number and it returned the Heritage Auction hit.  See 2nd screenshot.  I then compared the images between HA and Mavin.io and noted they were clearly different.  I then looked up the Serial Number on CGC and could tell it was describing the HA book, but not the Mavin.io book.  That's when I posted asking for confirmation.

I don't have access to GPA, GoCollect, WorthPoint, etc. to verify history.

 

I assumed so based on how I interpreted thread posts at the time.  Since then, the user name was included on summary post (linked below).  If it hasn't been confirmed, it should be removed from the summary post.

Did that answer your questions sufficiently?

 

 

 

Edited to note bsmith found this before I did.  Not sure how I missed his post, but a lot was going on then.  Maybe his post was delayed in posting because it was his first (That's what happened to me).

 

 

Thanks for the thorough explanation.  

Edited January 5 by comicwiz

[pdags]

On 12/26/2023 at 7:30 PM, agamoto said:

Since I already looked at all the ASM 300's a few dozen pages back, I thought I'd go back and look at them all again, but this time look at the entire submission groups

Wow, nice work.  I had a similar thought a few minutes before seeing your post (collecting all his known submissions and listing out all the books in each group).  

[agamoto]

On 12/26/2023 at 5:36 PM, comicwiz said:

Thanks for the thorough explanation. After reading through this, it is still unclear to me what, or if any, links exist between the eBay user Zaneglor and briva3. It's an interesting footnote to some of the unusual activity that we have noted with our findings, but I'm trying to focus specifically on that sellers listings. I know for certain neither of these books have crossed into the data dive I've done thus far. 

You have worthpoint don't you? The links between the two sellers are quite pronounced when you look at their posting history. The phrases used, the background of the images, they're the same seller. The connection was made via instagram already too if I'm not mistaken. 

Using worthpoint, I've traced this seller back to ads as old as 2006. 

[agamoto]

On 12/26/2023 at 5:37 PM, pdags said:

Wow, nice work.  I had a similar thought a few minutes before seeing your post (collecting all his known submissions and listing out all the books in each group).  

Help yourself with any submissions I missed, I think Brute_NM has a list of submissions on his cliffnotes, there may be some there I haven't looked at. 

[DC#]

On 12/26/2023 at 4:30 PM, agamoto said:

 

Notes. Those saying the date doesn't get changed on a reholder, I may have to disagree with ya on that, as these results seem to indicate when the GROUP submission's original grade date was and with much different grading dates for a few of the books. I also flagged the books that had images in the census before CGC announded in 8/1/2023 they'd be providing that info for everyone to enjoy.

 

 

I cannot state with certainty that all books keep the same date - but I have re-holdered several significant books this year (from 2nd Gen slabs) and all maintained their original grade date.   Here is the example of a FF 5 I reslabbed this summer - graded in 2013 with photos in the CGC system of the 2023 3rd Gen slab.  

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by DC#

[pdags]

On 12/26/2023 at 8:36 PM, comicwiz said:

it is still unclear to me what, or if any, links exist between the eBay user Zaneglor and briva3.

I'm not saying it's conclusive, but the backgrounds used in the images I posted and the known posted images for Briva3 (see post below) are the same.  Not conclusive, but definitely suspect.  

 

[bsmith]

With the "inside man" theory, everyone seems to be honing in on the reholder process. But the logistics of that seem a little complicated unless one guy is reholdering every comic. What if the inside guy actually just has access to the database. They could then add "mark jewelers" to the label and Briva3 could send in the reholder whenever, adding the custom label so a difference on the label wouldn't be immediately obvious. That would take Briva having to tell CGC 50x that they forgot a mark jewelers out of the equation.

This is just pure unfounded speculation but I was thinking "what if all his listings were scams?" I was looking at the high end modern variants like the Wolverine #1 J Scott Campbell. Sure he could have swapped in a lower grade copy but NM raws are already very expensive. The risk reward is nowhere in the ballpark of a missing MVS or a Jewelers. But if he graded a regular Wolverine #1 (basically a dollar book), got a 9.8, variant is added to the database, then do the reholder...I know this is slightly more complicated because of completely different census numbers. Sorry, I'm bored and going down a rabbit hole lol.

[EastEnd1]

On 12/26/2023 at 11:08 AM, comicwiz said:

Most noticeable characteristics to ascertain exact match, same wrap, same spine ticks, crimped corners, but they are very difficult to pick-up for the blurry scans available to me on WP. I wasn't even able to pull a certificaiton date off it initially and needed to jump on another source to mine it based on the grade, sold date and amount. The one clincher for me is the soiling pattern (could be large foxing blotch) but it is not only in the exact same upper right corner location, but the outline is 100% exact. Again, it will be difficult to see it on the qualified example pics, but look at the blue label back cover pic and then the qualified, and you will see it's an exact match. 

4155507003 - CGC Qualified 6.0 - Hulk 1818 - Sold Feb 13, 2023 - $2750 (GD: 11/16/2022)

Mad props to @WestcoastDAVEngers and @mephistopheles - the cleare/better pics really help match this! 

4120217003 - CGC Universal 7.0 - Hulk 181 - Sold Apr 11, 2023 - $4216 (GD: 09/06/2022)

 

Have to say, your effort has been amazing... thank you so much for all the hard work!!

[Number 6]

On 12/26/2023 at 4:32 PM, agamoto said:

No, not necessarily. I've come across all sorts of books where the reholder triggered a new graded date. 

I have a few of older slabs, not 1st generation, but that older slab that’s thinner than the one they’re using now. 
 

On a couple of them the inner well is starting to yellow a bit.  I would think that if I had those reholdered that they would change the inner well as well. 
 

In that case, would that perhaps trigger a new grade date as I would assume they would have to give the book a quick once over when it’s out of the well to make sure it’s still approximately the same grade?

[agamoto]

On 12/26/2023 at 5:43 PM, DC# said:

I cannot state with certainty that all books keep the same date - but I have re-holdered several significant books this year (from 2nd Gen slabs) and all maintained their original grade date.   Here is the example of a FF 5 - graded in 2013 and reslabbed in 2023 with photos in the CGC system.

 

Then it's either inconsistency with CGC's procedures, or they only update the graded date when it's a custom label. Who knows at this point, seems to be stuff like changing dates, images in the census and graders notes only get added/changed when it strikes someone's fancy. 

[darkstar]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:48 PM, agamoto said:

Who told ya it doesn't update? That's not what I've found.

For example, here's a series of books our special friend submitted for grading. 

Note how most of the books were graded 4-12-2023

With the exception being 4235257005 (and 7001) which were reholdered into a custom label with the date changed to 7-10-2023

Here's notes and the images they took of the book that day. https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4235257005/

Have a good look at that top staple crease. 

9.8 you say, CGC? Huh... How about that.

 

I'm pretty sure those 5 books were submitted as Mechanical Errors and the 7001 and 7005 went to CCS after being reviewed by CGC, which is what caused the delay and grade date discrepancy with the other books in the order. And I think the scans on the certification page are the most recent scans of that book the last time CGC had it, not necessarily scans of the book that earned the 9.8 grade designation originally.  

[paqart]

On 12/26/2023 at 7:30 PM, agamoto said:

Since I already looked at all the ASM 300's a few dozen pages back, I thought I'd go back and look at them all again, but this time look at the entire submission groups when those ASM 300's were submitted. Found quite a few suspect books that will need closer examination, some already uncovered such as the ASM 194 I confirmed swapped in one of my other posts. 

Well, popped a red bull and looked at all the CGC cert pages for the books from his ASM 300 submissions, and found some more suspect books to look closer at.

Notes. Those saying the date doesn't get changed on a reholder, I may have to disagree with ya on that, as these results seem to indicate when the GROUP submission's original grade date was and with much different grading dates for a few of the books. I also flagged the books that had images in the census before CGC announded in 8/1/2023 they'd be providing that info for everyone to enjoy.

What is completely blowing my mind here is the consistency with how often similar books are being sent in, and how consistent the 9.8 assignments are, especially with all the really rare books like the canadian price variants. Many of the 9.8's have grader notes that indicate bends and/or stress lines you'd think would normally disqualify a book from a 9.8

Again, this isn't an exhaustive list of every submission, just the one I generated based on all the ASM 300's he submitted.

Quite a remarkable track record. 

4071124001 - 6/01/2022 ASM 194 9.4
4071124002 - 6/01/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4071124003 - 6/01/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4071124004 - 6/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4071124005 - 6/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4106625001 - 8/10/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4106625002 - 10/27/2022 ASM 194 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4106625003 - 8/10/2022 ASM 300 9.8 
4106625004 - 8/10/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4094947001 - 7/25/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4094947002 - 7/25/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4094947003 - 7/25/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4094947004 - 7/25/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4154321001 - 1/5/2023 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4154321002 - 11/09/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4154321003 - 11/09/2022 ASM 238 9.8 
4154321004 - 11/09/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4154321005 - 11/09/2022 Batman 608 9.8 Retailer Incentive
4154321006 - 11/09/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8
4154321007 - 11/09/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant

4109596001 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.6
4109596002 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4109596003 - 8/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4109596004 - 8/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8 - Suspect book... This one sold THREE times on eBay
4109596005 - 8/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4137132001 - 10/11/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8
4137132002 - 10/11/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant
4137132003 - 10/11/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4137132004 - 12/01/2022 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)

4129851001 - 9/22/2022 FF 48 5.5 
4129851002 - 9/22/2022 IH 181 7.5 
4129851003 - 9/22/2022 ASM 300 9.8

4121886001 - 09/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4121886002 - 09/12/2022 ASM 194 9.8
4121886003 - 09/12/2022 ASM 300 9.6
4121886004 - 09/12/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4121886005 - 09/12/2022 ASM 238 9.8
4121886006 - 09/12/2022 Secret Wars 8 9.8

4199541001 - 02/08/2023 ASM 194 9.8 Suspect Book, has image/custom label, prior to 8/1/2023
4199541002 - 02/08/2023 ASM 194 9.8 
4199541003 - 04/04/2023 ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4199541004 - 10/30/2023 ASM 300 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book (date)
4199541005 - 02/08/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4199541006 - 02/08/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8

4148457001 - 11/01/2022 ASM 300 9.8
4148457002 - 11/01/2022 ASM 194 9.6
4148457003 - 11/01/2022 ASM 129 8.5 Suspect Book, has image/custom label, prior to 8/1/2023

4221342001 - 3/20/2023 ASM 238 9.8
4221342002 - 3/20/2023 ASM 238 9.8
4221342003 - 3/20/2023 ASM 252 9.8
4221342004 - 3/20/2023 IH 340 9.8
4221342005 - 3/20/2023 ASM 300 9.8 - Suspect Book, sold multiple times on Ebay
4221342006 - 3/20/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Newsstand

4245189001 - 5/1/2023 Secret Wars 8 9.8 Newsstand
4245189002 - 5/1/2023 IH 181 9.0 - Suspect Book, has image/custom label prior to 8/1/2023
4245189003 - 5/1/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4245189004 - 5/1/2023 ASM 300 9.8
4245189005 - 5/1/2023 Captain America 261 9.8 - Quadruple Cover

4265049001 - 6/2/2023 - Secret Wars 8 9.8 Canadian Price Variant
4265049002 - 6/26/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect Book, date, and image in census shows a Canadian PV. Label Wrong 
4265049003 - 8/2/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, date, Canadian Price Variant, it's imaged, Not the same book as cert#4265049002
4265049004 - 6/2/2023 - ASM 194 9.8 - Suspect, it's imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4265049005 - 6/26/2023 - IH 340 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, date/imaged prior to 8/1/2023
4265049006 - 6/2/2023 - ASM 300 9.8

4252433001 - 6/14/2023 - ASM 238 9.8 Newsstand - Suspect, imaged in census prior to 8/1/2023
4252433002 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 238 9.8
4252433003 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 252 9.8
4252433004 - 6/14/2023 - Secret Wars 8 Newsstand Canadian Price Variant - suspect Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4252433005 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 194 9.8
4252433006 - 5/11/2023 - IH 340 9.8
4252433007 - 5/11/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
 
4153803001 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.6
4153803002 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.4
4153803003 - 11/18/2022 - UF 4 - 9.8
4153803004 - 11/18/2022 - ASM 300 - 9.6
4153803005 - 11/18/2022 - Batman Adventures 12 9.8
4153803006 - 11/18/2022 - Detective Comics 411 8.5

4324007001 - 9/13/2023 - X-Men 266 9.8
4324007002 - 9/13/2023 - X-Men 266 9.8
4324007003 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 252 9.8 Newsstand
4324007004 - 9/13/2023 - Secret Wars 8 Newsstand 
4324007005 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
4324007006 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8
4324007007 - 9/13/2023 - ASM 300 9.8

4287881001 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 194 9.8 Newsstand, Suspect, Imaged prior to 8/1/2023
4287881002 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 300 9.6 Suspect, Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023
4287881003 - 7/19/2023 - ASM 300 9.8 Suspect, Imaged in Census prior to 8/1/2023

 

How many people on this board have had so much good luck getting 9.8's? From the looks of this, better than 90% of the submissions that were in the running for a high grade were given a 9.8. I sent in 75 moderns and got around 5 9.8's out of the entire group. Also, a lot of these are copper newsstands that aren't well-known for achieving a high grade. Same for Canadians and MJI issues.

[brute_nm]

On 12/26/2023 at 6:56 PM, paqart said:

How many people on this board have had so much good luck getting 9.8's? From the looks of this, better than 90% of the submissions that were in the running for a high grade were given a 9.8. I sent in 75 moderns and got around 5 9.8's out of the entire group. Also, a lot of these are copper newsstands that aren't well-known for achieving a high grade. Same for Canadians and MJI issues.

Exactly. Between his account's 9.8 rate and tons of reholder/ME submissions, red flags should've been going up all over CGC