ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[boreds]

So this 9.8 Mark Jewellers Secret Wars 8 is at $3,349 and ends in less than two hours. I believe it was a member of the boards who posted this book, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. It looks like a legit 9.8, coming from a trustworthy source.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285600398199?hash=item427f1c3b77:g:Th8AAOSwTGRldTw6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0Dj2Y3tWA6wo0gzpW81ETKPk7HQFcwc5pAndirD%2FbJ77Y9s3lhxgIfQ%2BlKIRAgGDYqt%2BHOc%2B4fZ7fbV4F%2BbpBKC2Q5XJj1vZLKcwEpNhc9KQI4Bkw6ZzxBwfUUL7%2FsYVWPC0QD0ZLr1%2B8YT1iSSwlfv1%2FsKtOjD6s8BnPP80iane%2FoNZFSnpMW9uMtQ%2FcQDEoUII5N4X%2FqYHZFzsHEnQztjLloXUVfhVlv4zHDMKu3AzmYvx0w%2FbgI46M9uf4FFNz%2B2qdvqeympWOFhGje9g4wQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9qql96VYw

Meanwhile our friend Briva's book "sold" for over 21k a few weeks ago. I doubt this was an actual sale, as he ended it early and was obviously shill bidded to the moon... Yet still I feel real bad for the trustworthy seller who is going to take a massive hit because of scumbag Briva. 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/235352700169?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m43.l1123&plmtId=700008&mesgId=3016&mkcid=8&ch=osgood&bu=43473349826&trkId=b9ade879-3043-4bd1-bc5d-bf16a474ebcd&cnvId=700003&recoId=235352700169&recoPos=1

 

 

 

 

[MatterEaterLad]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:47 PM, Bill1 said:

"And no one was banned for talking about this, but their post was removed, and the first 10 or so were given the reason why. After that, if I removed one and the person kept re-posting, I removed them." Don't know who you were, but I imagine this applied....

Gotcha. You don't ban anyone, you just block them. TOTALLY different. 

I didn't repost. But there were other posters at the time. I'm guessing you lost patience and blocked everyone. Your call.

Again, thanks for pinning a post about this. It's the right call for the collecting community at large.

[MatterEaterLad]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:51 PM, boreds said:

So this 9.8 Mark Jewellers Secret Wars 8 is at $3,349 and ends in less than two hours. I believe it was a member of the boards who posted this book, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. It looks like a legit 9.8, coming from a trustworthy source.

 

Meanwhile our friend Briva's book "sold" for over 21k a few weeks ago. I doubt this was an actual sale, as he ended it early and was obviously shill bidded to the moon... Yet still I feel real bad for the trustworthy seller who is going to take a massive hit because of scumbag Briva. 

It's so unhelpful that GPA still records these "sales."

[Microchip]

On 12/28/2023 at 11:51 AM, boreds said:

So this 9.8 Mark Jewellers Secret Wars 8 is at $3,349 and ends in less than two hours. I believe it was a member of the boards who posted this book, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. It looks like a legit 9.8, coming from a trustworthy source.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285600398199?hash=item427f1c3b77:g:Th8AAOSwTGRldTw6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0Dj2Y3tWA6wo0gzpW81ETKPk7HQFcwc5pAndirD%2FbJ77Y9s3lhxgIfQ%2BlKIRAgGDYqt%2BHOc%2B4fZ7fbV4F%2BbpBKC2Q5XJj1vZLKcwEpNhc9KQI4Bkw6ZzxBwfUUL7%2FsYVWPC0QD0ZLr1%2B8YT1iSSwlfv1%2FsKtOjD6s8BnPP80iane%2FoNZFSnpMW9uMtQ%2FcQDEoUII5N4X%2FqYHZFzsHEnQztjLloXUVfhVlv4zHDMKu3AzmYvx0w%2FbgI46M9uf4FFNz%2B2qdvqeympWOFhGje9g4wQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9qql96VYw

Meanwhile our friend Briva's book "sold" for over 21k a few weeks ago. I doubt this was an actual sale, as he ended it early and was obviously shill bidded to the moon... Yet still I feel real bad for the trustworthy seller who is going to take a massive hit because of scumbag Briva. 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/235352700169?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m43.l1123&plmtId=700008&mesgId=3016&mkcid=8&ch=osgood&bu=43473349826&trkId=b9ade879-3043-4bd1-bc5d-bf16a474ebcd&cnvId=700003&recoId=235352700169&recoPos=1

 

 

 

 

He got what he wanted, the sale recognised...

[badback83]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:19 PM, Point Five said:

I think a couple of those were switched out.

 

You have been on fire today!

[Microchip]

On 12/28/2023 at 11:58 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

It's so unhelpful that GPA still records these "sales."

Lets see if the $3k sale turns up soon.   It'll take the wind out of the bogus $21k result by a very long way.

[badback83]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:38 PM, BrashL said:

Newsstand 9.9 knows who the original scammer is and said he has seen him selling on Instagram and at shows. Even if this was just one guy (and it’s not) it’s not limited to eBay. 

I would like to know who it is as a person who buys a good amount on Instagram.

[KCOComics]

Hey all - I haven't read through all 162 pages of this,  but have been trying to track the situation. 

If this has been suggested,  I apologize, but is anyone tracking all of the identified swapped books?? If you can document it with links and evidence and post that document in a place CGC can easily find it,  it will help them investigate.  I imagine no one at cgc will be sifting through the hundreds of pages in this thread. So post the link to the document in the first post, or start a new thread. 

I think at this point there is no question that something fraudulent and despicable is going on. Now let's make it as easy as possible for CGC to identify it and take action. 

 

And I know many feel they won't take a strong enough action. What they do is out of our control. What is in our control is making it obvious and trackable to the point where it can't be ignored. 

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:51 PM, boreds said:

So this 9.8 Mark Jewellers Secret Wars 8 is at $3,349 and ends in less than two hours. I believe it was a member of the boards who posted this book, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. It looks like a legit 9.8, coming from a trustworthy source.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285600398199?hash=item427f1c3b77:g:Th8AAOSwTGRldTw6&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0Dj2Y3tWA6wo0gzpW81ETKPk7HQFcwc5pAndirD%2FbJ77Y9s3lhxgIfQ%2BlKIRAgGDYqt%2BHOc%2B4fZ7fbV4F%2BbpBKC2Q5XJj1vZLKcwEpNhc9KQI4Bkw6ZzxBwfUUL7%2FsYVWPC0QD0ZLr1%2B8YT1iSSwlfv1%2FsKtOjD6s8BnPP80iane%2FoNZFSnpMW9uMtQ%2FcQDEoUII5N4X%2FqYHZFzsHEnQztjLloXUVfhVlv4zHDMKu3AzmYvx0w%2FbgI46M9uf4FFNz%2B2qdvqeympWOFhGje9g4wQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9qql96VYw

Meanwhile our friend Briva's book "sold" for over 21k a few weeks ago. I doubt this was an actual sale, as he ended it early and was obviously shill bidded to the moon... Yet still I feel real bad for the trustworthy seller who is going to take a massive hit because of scumbag Briva. 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/235352700169?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m43.l1123&plmtId=700008&mesgId=3016&mkcid=8&ch=osgood&bu=43473349826&trkId=b9ade879-3043-4bd1-bc5d-bf16a474ebcd&cnvId=700003&recoId=235352700169&recoPos=1

 

 

 

 

Edit: Sorry, I responded after looking at the wrong link. 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Stefan_W

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:11 PM, KCOComics said:

Hey all - I haven't read through all 162 pages of this,  but have been trying to track the situation. 

If this has been suggested,  I apologize, but is anyone tracking all of the identified swapped books?? If you can document it with links and evidence and post that document in a place CGC can easily find it,  it will help them investigate.  I imagine no one at cgc will be sifting through the hundreds of pages in this thread. So post the link to the document in the first post, or start a new thread. 

I think at this point there is no question that something fraudulent and despicable is going on. Now let's make it as easy as possible for CGC to identify it and take action. 

 

And I know many feel they won't take a strong enough action. What they do is out of our control. What is in our control is making it obvious and trackable to the point where it can't be ignored. 

@comicwiz is doing great work with the help of a few others. 

[wombat]

I can only imagine the conversation at CGC. All the work was done for us. For free. We didn't have to do anything. But man, I'm not spending time digging through a self contained thread for that information. 

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:15 PM, wombat said:

I can only imagine the conversation at CGC. All the work was done for us. For free. We didn't have to do anything. But man, I'm not spending time digging through a self contained thread for that information. 

If you honestly believe that digging up and comparing photos (which is important) was "all of the work" that needs to be done as CGC sorts through all of this ..... I have no words. 

There is a reason why this is taking a while. I only hope that people there investigating were allowed at least some break for Christmas to be with their families. 

[wombat]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:19 PM, Stefan_W said:

If you honestly believe that digging up and comparing photos (which is important) was "all of the work" that needs to be done as CGC sorts through all of this ..... I have no words. 

There is a reason why this is taking a while. I only hope that people there investigating were allowed at least some break for Christmas to be with their families. 

All of the work to bring this to light. I would assume anyone reading what I said wouldn't assume it was "all" the work. 

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:21 PM, wombat said:

All of the work to bring this to light. I would assume anyone reading what I said wouldn't assume it was "all" the work. 

If you wanted people to assume that is was not "all" of the work it may not have been the best approach to add "We didn't have to do anything" when voicing the part of people at CGC. 

[brute_nm]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:11 PM, KCOComics said:

is anyone tracking all of the identified swapped books?? If you can document it with links and evidence and post that document in a place CGC can easily find it,  it will help them investigate.  I imagine no one at cgc will be sifting through the hundreds of pages in this thread. So post the link to the document in the first post, or start a new thread.

There is a summary linked in the first post:

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by brute_nm
Added direct link to summary

[wombat]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:27 PM, Stefan_W said:

If you wanted people to assume that is was not "all" of the work it may not have been the best approach to add "We didn't have to do anything" when voicing the part of people at CGC. 

Clearly you have missed a few things in my post. First, it was tongue in cheek Did you think I was relaying an actual CGC conversation? You also completely missed the context of my post. But I will leave that to you to figure out. 

[brute_nm]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:02 PM, badback83 said:

I would like to know who it is as a person who buys a good amount on Instagram.

It's in the summary linked in the first post:

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by brute_nm
Changed link to link directly to summary

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/27/2023 at 4:16 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

When I bought my page for under $2k a few years ago, I did it to own a piece of history. But that's literally pieces of history...

 

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/27/2023 at 5:00 PM, Microchip said:

He got what he wanted, the sale recognised...

They'll take anything to tout right now since GPA is probably worried that if the market falls anymore, they'll become irrelevant.

Edited December 28, 2023 by trademarkcomics

[MatterEaterLad]

Here's a cringe-worthy thought.

What if CGC has known about this for a while and that's why they started scanning every book back in July?