ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[Silver Surfer]

C as in CGC?

[Heronext]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:04 PM, Silver Surfer said:

C as in CGC?

C as in a comic selling business.  Diagram updated

[Silver Surfer]

Or maybe C for an inside guy?

[Heronext]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:06 PM, Silver Surfer said:

Or maybe C for an inside guy?

May or may not figure in but it's a side of this that doesn't personally interest me as much.  C is not an inside guy as per this diagram and as per what the YouTube video goes into.  He doesn't discuss the inside man theory.

Edited January 7 by Heronext

[BlancoBros]

On 1/6/2024 at 9:59 PM, brute_nm said:

@comicwiz, @agamoto, are either of you able to find any of these prior sales on WorthPoint?  We could at least verify if the same book stays with the cert number.  The strange cut along the bottom should be a dead giveaway.

 

june 7 2018

 

May 3 2018

 

I couldnt find the may 5 2014 one

[comicwiz]

This is another example of a certification number showing a different book from the time it first appeared 2/21/2019, and then just under a year later, it showed up as a zaneglor listing, and the book inside the holder had changed. The easiest method to discern the two is the shortened top, discernable above the comic code stamp. Also the difference in the red background in that small area of the top right corner, previous example had less red.

The chronological order shown below is from the first time the book appeared to the last, for a total of 4 times. 

Cert number: 0052830003 (on Impacted List)

1. Seller: vatista Cert: 0052830003 | 2/21/2019 | $11,078

2. Seller: alleged seller Cert: 0052830003 | 2/5/2020 | $8,978 (Note: no back scan provided, but this is where the book inside changes)

3. Seller: alleged seller Cert: 0052830003 | 3/8/2020 | $8,888

4. Seller: alleged seller Cert: 0052830003 [3/18/2020] - $8,668

Edited February 15 by comicwiz

[brute_nm]

On 1/6/2024 at 8:16 PM, BlancoBros said:

june 7 2018

 

May 3 2018

 

I couldnt find the may 5 2014 one

@BlancoBros thank you!

@mrd160, the 7-Jun-2018 listing has our perp's background. Was this about the same time he sent you the pic? Or was the 2018 sale to himself?

Edited January 7 by brute_nm

[Heronext]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:34 PM, atomised said:

Briva is not a common name in the US.   Of course, Briva might not be the name of the individual but it's an interesting choice, as Briva is a first name.  Using Linkedin, I searched for all the people in the US with the name Briva.  Only two names surfaced.  One is a woman and doesn't fit the profile.  The other is this person, which interestingly has a "3" in the URL of his fb profile.   Seems a bit of a reach, but sharing what I found

We know the name and that isn't it

[atomised]

On 1/6/2024 at 7:37 PM, Heronext said:

We know the name and that isn't it

May I ask why the name isn't shared?

[mrd160]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:37 PM, brute_nm said:

@BlancoBros thank you!

@mrd160, the 2018 listing has our perp's background. Was this about the same time he sent you the pic? Or was the 2018 sale to himself?

I bought the book from him in 2019. The 2018 sale was probably him 

[Heronext]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:39 PM, atomised said:

May I ask why the name isn't shared?

I couldn't speak for the whole thread.  It's been posted in full and taken down; first and last name have been mentioned separately a couple of times.  If you want to know, I'd suggest PMing someone who you think might know it

[mrd160]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:37 PM, Heronext said:

We know the name and that isn't it

Facts

[mrd160]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:39 PM, atomised said:

May I ask why the name isn't shared?

I just don’t think it’s the right thing to do. It would be considered doxxing so I certainly don’t want to put this person in danger. What I will tell you is I’m going to pursue this to the fullest and of the law. If it turns out the book is not as stated I’ll be contacting the local police station, the FBI, and will be seeking any civil remedy I can 

[mrd160]

I also wanna thank everybody for their timely detective work

[mrd160]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:16 PM, BlancoBros said:

june 7 2018

 

May 3 2018

 

I couldnt find the may 5 2014 one

What’s weird is that the top sale is clearly him, same background. How can he then sell the book to me 1 year later? Shill?

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:39 PM, atomised said:

May I ask why the name isn't shared?

If WorthPoint has a photo of a name, is that doxing?   I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this, but the photos here are interesting:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/fantastic-four-cgc-5-1st-silver-sub-2042389527

 

[brute_nm]

On 1/6/2024 at 8:40 PM, mrd160 said:

I bought the book from him in 2019. The 2018 sale was probably him 

So if he listed it for sale in Jun 2018 but still had it to sell to you in 2019, he must've shill bidded that auction and won it himself.

The 3-May-2018 sale must've been when he acquired it himself.

Edited January 7 by brute_nm

[mrd160]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:51 PM, brute_nm said:

So if he listed it for sale in Jun 2018 but still had it to sell to you in 2019, he must've shill bidded that auction and won it himself.

The other 2018 sale must've been when he acquired it himself.

Yes, that’s what I think. 

[mrd160]

This person is such a pos

[Heronext]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:51 PM, pdags said:

If WorthPoint has a photo of a name, is that doxing?   I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this, but the photos here are interesting:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/fantastic-four-cgc-5-1st-silver-sub-2042389527

 

The theory I am privy to is that zaneglor's ebay id was named after or inherited from a member of his family, possibly a maternal relation.  The name here is consistent with that in my view.