ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[comicwiz]

On 2/22/2024 at 8:26 AM, Mr. Zipper said:

Thanks, Joseph. I have a lot of respect for your work and don't mean to diminish it. And clearly this matter is at a different level than most past issues. Frankly, I stopped following this thread closely because of the inevitable useless side comments, wild speculation and other typical message board noise. So, I probably have missed critical information. 

Some of the issues in the past were certainly tempests in a teapot, yet there were people running around with their hair on fire scolding anyone who wasn't also hammering the panic button. That is why I quoted "scandals," not because I live in Saratoga, NY. 

Glad to see you back posting! 

[sledgehammer]

On 2/21/2024 at 10:06 AM, Mr. Zipper said:

That said, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, and 99.9999% of the world carries on blissfully unaware of the apocalypse some are enduring over this issue.

Yes, keep us posted.

[brute_nm]

On 2/17/2024 at 9:11 AM, brute_nm said:

Let me rephrase the question so @CGC Mike can more clearly ask the team: what is the difference between strike-thru, new grade date with blank grade, and new grade date with old grade

I thought strike-thru meant the book has been rechecked but this is not the case.  Here is a list of all the books that have new grade dates (in 2024).  The yellow highlighted books were regraded in 2024 but do NOT have a strike-thru on CGC's list.  There is no consistency with books that have strike-thru and REMOVED grades.  There is no consistency with books that have strike-thru and VERIFIED grades.

Further, what is the protocol for these books?  Are all legit books given new cert numbers?  Do some maintain their old cert number?  Are all fraudulent books left on census but with grades removed?  Are they re-graded to have correct grades and new cert numbers?  What does it mean to have a new grade date but old cert number?  What does it mean when the grade is vacated?  Why does this have to be so complicated   Can we get a simple list from CGC of all books that have been checked so far, which were deemed legit, and which were deemed fraudulent.

We need some consistency and transparency with how these books are being handled to start rebuilding confidence in ALL cert numbers.

 

@CGC Mike  for any new info

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 2/21/2024 at 6:49 PM, Iconic1s said:

That’s a booger!  Book is fine.

On 2/21/2024 at 7:04 PM, Sigur Ros said:

Definitely a CGC 9.9 then.

Who cares about corners.

the only thing that kept it from a 10.

[MatterEaterLad]

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

[Number 6]

On 2/22/2024 at 9:27 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

I'm not an expert, but that label looks fake to my eyes.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 2/22/2024 at 11:30 AM, Number 6 said:

I'm not an expert, but that label looks fake to my eyes.

I saw it, thought mycomicshop @mycomicshop was the one that tweeted it, but I was thinking if it was at their place on consignment, then was just scammers showing off  

I mean surely mycomicshop would discover or get the word out, but it was weird to have been tweeted or sent to them so idk

On 2/22/2024 at 11:27 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

 

[ADAMANTIUM]

[MatterEaterLad]

On 2/22/2024 at 10:32 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I saw it, thought mycomicshop @mycomicshop was the one that tweeted it, but I was thinking if it was at their place on consignment, then was just scammers showing off  

I mean surely mycomicshop would discover or get the word out, but it was weird to have been tweeted or sent to them so idk

 

I saw it in a CGC forum on FB. And yeah, they did a terrible job on that fake cover. 

[CJ Design]

On 2/22/2024 at 7:26 AM, Mr. Zipper said:

Thanks, Joseph. I have a lot of respect for your work and don't mean to diminish it. And clearly this matter is at a different level than most past issues. Frankly, I stopped following this thread closely because of the inevitable useless side comments, wild speculation and other typical message board noise. So, I probably have missed critical information. 

Some of the issues in the past were certainly tempests in a teapot, yet there were people running around with their hair on fire scolding anyone who wasn't also hammering the panic button. That is why I quoted "scandals," not because I live in Saratoga, NY. 

A damn fine place also...when we were in Bolton, that would be our lunch escape on a rare day off. Was sad when Bruno's closed.

[BrashL]

On 2/22/2024 at 11:27 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

 

Looks like fake book, fake slab but real label? The certification number checks out, is the hologram real? If that's the case, I don't think you can blame CCG for this in any way, original case could be destroyed to get the label and then the rest is just junk. I doubt this fools many people.

[Iconic1s]

On 2/22/2024 at 11:33 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:

On the bright side… no Newton Rings 

 

 

Edited March 11 by Iconic1s

[sledgehammer]

I think that might be the North Korean edition.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:05 PM, BrashL said:

Looks like fake book, fake slab but real label? The certification number checks out, is the hologram real? If that's the case, I don't think you can blame CCG for this in any way, original case could be destroyed to get the label and then the rest is just junk. I doubt this fools many people.

I didn't think to check the cert  

Just weird.

[comicjel]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:27 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

Fake label for sure... the white inside the "9" should look much more like an oval, not a circle - there are other minor issues with the spacing of the words and dates.

Only $500... I almost feel sorry for the scammer!

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:32 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I saw it, thought mycomicshop @mycomicshop was the one that tweeted it, but I was thinking if it was at their place on consignment, then was just scammers showing off  

I mean surely mycomicshop would discover or get the word out, but it was weird to have been tweeted or sent to them so idk

 

 

On 2/22/2024 at 12:27 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Has this been posted? I doubt it's the same scammer, which begs the question, "How many people are out there doing this?"

This was on social media. Evidently last July a guy used this book as collateral for a $500 loan at a pawn shop and never returned. When the slab was opened...

That is the best interior art I've seen in a very long time.

[sledgehammer]

On 2/22/2024 at 12:49 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I didn't think to check the cert  

Just weird.

Cert # was the only book in that submission, too.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 2/22/2024 at 1:08 PM, comicjel said:

Fake label for sure... the white inside the "9" should look much more like an oval, not a circle - there are other minor issues with the spacing of the words and dates.

Only $500... I almost feel sorry for the scammer!

That's what I thought as the numbers aren't at a slant in any way either, but cert checks out, just WEIRD!

[ADAMANTIUM]

Or the numbers looked slightly off and idk why...

One is legit the other is the slab above but anyway

[ADAMANTIUM]

Thinner maybe?

I feel like sesame Street paint by numbers.