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ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC
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On 2/27/2024 at 8:15 AM, sledgehammer said:

I guess it's feasible as a coincidence that an ebay seller in Tonawanda, New York is selling about 8 yellow label reholdered keys right now.

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FF 1, ASM 1, Daredevil 1, Avengers 1, TOS 38, ST 101, Hulk 181. etc.

I guess there could be some type of connection, but Tonawanda is a looooooonnnnngggg way from NYC. 

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On 2/27/2024 at 2:17 PM, awakeintheashes said:

I guess there could be some type of connection, but Tonawanda is a looooooonnnnngggg way from NYC. 

It's a good eight hours by car.  The entire route must be four hundred miles if you take the thruway.  Tonawanda is a suburb of Buffalo. What confuses is there was a bakery in Jersey that had a TV show for a while. They were directly across the river from Manhattan, and many exterior shots showed the proximity to NYC. 

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On 2/27/2024 at 3:17 PM, awakeintheashes said:
On 2/27/2024 at 7:15 AM, sledgehammer said:

I guess it's feasible as a coincidence that an ebay seller in Tonawanda, New York is selling about 8 yellow label reholdered keys right now.

hm

FF 1, ASM 1, Daredevil 1, Avengers 1, TOS 38, ST 101, Hulk 181. etc.

I guess there could be some type of connection, but Tonawanda is a looooooonnnnngggg way from NYC. 

What difference does it make how far away it is?
The timing of this dump of reholdered books smells very bad to me, and CGC refuses to acknowledge if scamboy ever submitted these comics.

I have no idea if there is a personal connection to this seller, but how hard would it be to get someone in Tonawanda NY to consign the books?
Harder than getting Comiclink to do it for you?
Somebody in California, that you had a relationship with in NJ for 20 years before the :censored: hit the fan?

Just a reminder that CGC refuses to help collectors that want to know if scamboy ever touched a comic.

Maybe there are dozens of scamboys. That would explain it, I guess.

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On 2/28/2024 at 8:34 AM, sledgehammer said:

What difference does it make how far away it is?
The timing of this dump of reholdered books smells very bad to me, and CGC refuses to acknowledge if scamboy ever submitted these comics.

I have no idea if there is a personal connection to this seller, but how hard would it be to get someone in Tonawanda NY to consign the books?
Harder than getting Comiclink to do it for you?
Somebody in California, that you had a relationship with in NJ for 20 years before the :censored: hit the fan?

Just a reminder that CGC refuses to help collectors that want to know if scamboy ever touched a comic.

Maybe there are dozens of scamboys. That would explain it, I guess.

You can also get a sense of an EBAY seller's typical inventory by what they have successfully sold... when they show no high valued comics having been historically sold, at the same moment that they are selling a bunch of high value comics, a little more care and due diligence is well advised!  

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On 2/28/2024 at 8:27 AM, comicjel said:

You can also get a sense of an EBAY seller's typical inventory by what they have successfully sold... when they show no high valued comics having been historically sold, at the same moment that they are selling a bunch of high value comics, a little more care and due diligence is well advised!  

Nice catch. (worship)   Their sales history since early December, makes these books a far outlier.

It sure does look to me like somebody decided to try to sell these off, for whatever reason, in the current climate.

Whether it's their knowledge of, or only fear of, what they might be. hm

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The actual signatures by Stan on all of these caught my attention as well.

The small size of two of them, done in 2011 and 2018, and this one on the Night Nurse, strike me as odd, but I'm no expert.

Would Stan's have looked this weird, in 2015?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296248366610?itmmeta=01HQR3ZSM2FVJHNWADZT6GCBNZ&hash=item44f9c75612:g:jpoAAOSwj61l1sql

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On 2/28/2024 at 8:34 AM, sledgehammer said:

What difference does it make how far away it is?

Besides the fact that you mentioned it, no difference at all. But, yes, probably harder than CLink or someone you had a relationship with in CA. I guess, they could have a relationship with someone in WNY and shipped to them like they would in the other scenarios.

My point was to illustrate to many that NY is a BIG state, and this is not really a Sunday drive type location from where the perpetrators are located.Growing up in upstate NY, I know people on the outside think it’s just NYC.

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On 2/28/2024 at 9:10 AM, awakeintheashes said:

My point was to illustrate to many that NY is a BIG state, and this is not really a Sunday drive type location from where the perpetrators are located.

My point didn't have anything to do with driveability.

I didn't think that I needed to explain it, but I'm sure all kind of arrangements and relationships are formed at at NYCC, and when somebody owns a pressing service.

Scamboy also filed as a corporation in Virginia, so if I come across an odd ebay listing from a seller 150 miles away in VA, I may mention that as well.

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I hate to say it, but I'm starting to prefer raw comics, particularly for the most valuable issues. I have a hard time picturing myself buying something like an Avengers 1 in a slab, for fear it was a counterfeit. It hadn't occurred to me until reading this thread, but the slabs invite counterfeiting by concealing comic book interiors.

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One of the books listed now on ebay is a 5.0, yellow label, Daredevil #1 graded in 2011.

There is no sales history on GPA of any yellow or blue "Stan written on front cover" sales in that grade range.

There is only one sale, of a blue label 5.0, called out on CGC as "signed by stan lee", and sold in 2006.

That certification is now pulled from CGC's search function.

https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/0112362002/

 

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On 2/28/2024 at 10:19 AM, sledgehammer said:

My point didn't have anything to do with driveability.

I didn't think that I needed to explain it, but I'm sure all kind of arrangements and relationships are formed at at NYCC, and when somebody owns a pressing service.

It’s cool, man. 
 

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"Hey, Stan. Can you sign my key book, but as teeny tiny as possible?"

"Thanks."

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305413728907?itmmeta=01HQR2JHA3FDG5C1ABE3AKSYSG&hash=item471c13aa8b:g:lRMAAOSwaKVl1sqj&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0M2p8QlMYhYmmhCY2lb5vusJMHtCIngW47OeNHuccuiOSjdxF3zwB9k62aPhwxBrhXYtS523xVRTvK6uZ2txwqoRGIKqK%2B%2BpftD2mKHa1ArJZbNXoFseDqsqa2Z8cjUSC%2FWsZHZIGsPDnKEzfdhWGQvN3AJE0WUyFpDnzdqf%2F4pzTX1s%2Fs0dvtY6fPbtoaDDv70VHNVSOrZ%2FxqhAIfhiEeCU0jh2PJgi41aOuyeMeg9vPXOeE9w1xQzhwND6G1dO7fyu1e0IG0gyVliv9lCfxnk%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6SVyoK-Yw

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On 2/28/2024 at 10:26 AM, paqart said:

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to prefer raw comics, particularly for the most valuable issues. I have a hard time picturing myself buying something like an Avengers 1 in a slab, for fear it was a counterfeit. It hadn't occurred to me until reading this thread, but the slabs invite counterfeiting by concealing comic book interiors.

I buy a lot of CGC comics, but I continue to look for raw comics as well - I just find that, as time goes by, it is getting harder to find nice raw comics.

These counterfeits do scare the Hell out of me though! - hopefully there will always be a small tell, but who knows!?! 

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On 2/28/2024 at 9:56 AM, sledgehammer said:

One of the books listed now on ebay is a 5.0, yellow label, Daredevil #1 graded in 2011.

There is no sales history on GPA of any yellow or blue "Stan written on front cover" sales in that grade range.

There is only one sale, of a blue label 5.0, called out on CGC as "signed by stan lee", and sold in 2006.

That certification is now pulled from CGC's search function.

https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/0112362002/

 

Per GoCollect, 1063809004

  • sold on 6/16/2021 for 8200 on ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 3/28/2021 for 6500 ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 12/13/2016 for 1875 ebay (auction)

 

 

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On 2/28/2024 at 11:11 AM, sledgehammer said:

"Hey, Stan. Can you sign my key book, but as teeny tiny as possible?"

"Thanks."

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305413728907?itmmeta=01HQR2JHA3FDG5C1ABE3AKSYSG&hash=item471c13aa8b:g:lRMAAOSwaKVl1sqj&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0M2p8QlMYhYmmhCY2lb5vusJMHtCIngW47OeNHuccuiOSjdxF3zwB9k62aPhwxBrhXYtS523xVRTvK6uZ2txwqoRGIKqK%2B%2BpftD2mKHa1ArJZbNXoFseDqsqa2Z8cjUSC%2FWsZHZIGsPDnKEzfdhWGQvN3AJE0WUyFpDnzdqf%2F4pzTX1s%2Fs0dvtY6fPbtoaDDv70VHNVSOrZ%2FxqhAIfhiEeCU0jh2PJgi41aOuyeMeg9vPXOeE9w1xQzhwND6G1dO7fyu1e0IG0gyVliv9lCfxnk%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6SVyoK-Yw

How about this one... "Hey Stan, please sign right on the black area where nobody will be able to see it!"...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296248366800?itmmeta=01HQR9EYMG4B3M8DJKH3B336KC&hash=item44f9c756d0:g:Da8AAOSwoWBl1sqi

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On 2/28/2024 at 10:42 AM, flchris said:

Per GoCollect, 1063809004

  • sold on 6/16/2021 for 8200 on ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 3/28/2021 for 6500 ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 12/13/2016 for 1875 ebay (auction)

 

 

going down that rabbit hole, doing a search for the cert number also pulled up a hip comic sale of the book from a seller possibly out of Astoria NY in 2021, so maybe they were the seller in one of the ebay sales in 2021.

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On 2/28/2024 at 10:42 AM, flchris said:

Per GoCollect, 1063809004

  • sold on 6/16/2021 for 8200 on ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 3/28/2021 for 6500 ebay (fixed price)
  • sold on 12/13/2016 for 1875 ebay (auction)

 

 

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Weird. I wonder if I'm missing those on GPA?  It sure doesn't look like it's there.

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On 2/28/2024 at 10:43 AM, comicjel said:

How about this one... "Hey Stan, please sign right on the black area where nobody will be able to see it!"...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296248366800?itmmeta=01HQR9EYMG4B3M8DJKH3B336KC&hash=item44f9c756d0:g:Da8AAOSwoWBl1sqi

I wonder if that's another appearance of comic book station's legendary "silver back cover stan signing pen".

hm

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