CGC Files Lawsuit Against Employees 30 30

[troydivision1]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:41 AM, buttock said:

I'm not surprised to see something like this happen, any business is vulnerable to people trying to pull a scam one way or another.  

HOWEVER, that's why you put safeguards in place.  And the biggest safeguard CGC had was a strict policy on employees not being able to deal in CGC graded books at all.  Once they opened that door, and I'm not sure when that was, they essentially invited someone to come do something like this.  If there is anything I would want to see come out of this, it's that CGC employees are unable to buy, sell, or submit to CGC with no exceptions.

I agree, but also know people will find a way.
For example, in college I worked for a major toy store no longer in business.
I collected comics / cards / toys and was active on eBay.
I was able to get ALL the HTF hot toys before they hit the shelf with my discount.
That was within our rules.
*I* never sold any of the items as that was against the rules.
What I did do was trade at my LCS or have my partner list the items using their eBay username.
Largest ROI were Hot Wheels...and Tickle Me Elmos.
Where there are low wage jobs with strict rules, there is someone 'following the rules' but to their fiscal benefit.

[awakeintheashes]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:00 AM, Stefan_W said:

Sorry, I had to re-read this a couple of time to make sure I was seeing what I thought I was seeing. These boards have a hall of shame? 

 

Edited February 4 by awakeintheashes

[mikenyc]

If this defaults to rehashing bad actions there is justification to lock a thread that should stay open. 

[comix4fun]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:15 AM, Stefan_W said:

That is ad hominem. I don't judge the validity of comments based on who makes them. 

Point taken about context though. It absolutely matters in a lot of ways, although I would argue not exactly in the way you are using it. Although context matters, a person I don't care for can make a good point, and someone I really like can make a bad one. At the end of the day I don't know anyone on these boards so I just call it like I see it based on the words in front of me. The point "try to treat people right" is unassailable to me, but thank you for pointed out why this may be loaded to some people on these boards given the source. 

Was there some earth shattering, otherwise unobtainable, epiphany to be found in “treat customers right”? That’s the clue to whether you’ve got to speak up in defense of it. It’s not a good point, it’s a vehicle, in the context of past words and actions and in conjunction with attempts to reenter this community and reliance on people who don’t even know that a Hall of Shame exists, to seem rational, reasonable and to have the “great reputation” line be given weight it would not otherwise be given. 

That’s why it’s not ad hominem. Who is speaking, and their record, is entirely relevant to how the words are taken and to avoid being manipulated into accepting something so banal as his “be nice to customers” as a gateway to accepting the rest of his comment in face value…especially if you have no knowledge of who they are.  

Check out those probation and hall of shame lists. Lots of context to be had. 
 

I’ll add this, wherever Chip has found customers to trust him, I wish him well, and I wish them luck. They are free as you are to use or ignore anything in the context of dealing with him. That doesn’t change a thing about this place, and doesn’t mean anyone owes him a Second, Third, Fifth chance.
 

Edited February 4 by comix4fun

[comix4fun]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:30 AM, mikenyc said:

If this defaults to rehashing bad actions there is justification to lock a thread that should stay open. 

Not rehashing.  Just not letting things go unsaid. But I take your point 
and if the stuff in his thread didn’t get it locked already…I think we’re gonna make it. 

[Darth Krayt]

CGC just filed lawsuit against the reholder scam!

[Chip Cataldo]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:34 AM, comix4fun said:

…especially if you have no knowledge of who they are.  

Except that is NOT WHO I AM NOW. I was added over 7 years ago. There is no *current* context, which is what the members of this forum apparently don't want.

7 years is a long time.

Edited February 4 by Chip Cataldo

[jimjum12]

On 2/4/2024 at 9:09 AM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

The '2 hottie to one 40 year old virgin' employee ratio explains a lot.  GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

Edited February 4 by jimjum12

[jcjames]

 

What a complete fustercluck! 

 

 

[Darthvader23]

I havent read all 22 pages of this scam job, but am fully aware of this situation, ( so, I dont know if it's been mentioned), but this situation is so similar to the australian 'HALO' grading company.............still see the odd HALO graded comic on ebay from time to time, and makes me cringe. I wonder if CGC will list all comics graded  by this fraudster, to see if we have one of his in our collection, and give us a free re-valuation is desired.  

[Galen130]

Roy has been banned until summer, so this thread hasn’t been locked yet.  Let’s stay on topic and keep it civil.  You know who you are. 

Edited February 4 by Galen130

[Buzzetta]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:08 AM, Chip Cataldo said:

That's not who I am now and haven't been for years. Just like people dug like mad to find out all my wrongdoings back then they can dig like hell to find out my rep now...except they don't want to.

People don't give two craps around here when someone is building back up, they only want to keep them down. That's this forum in a nutshell when you've wronged it.

Ahem... not getting into this as this will derail the thread so I will do this once here and will pursue it elsewhere.

It was VERY easy to dig up your misdeeds as I am the one who did it.  There were angry mobs of people on almost every forum ranging from focuses on Tropical Fish, to Mego, to Star Wars, to Warhammer, to comics.   You have screwed people over in almost every hobby and collecting group over the course of thirty years. 

I did not have to search like "mad."  I did a google search for your name and read the rage posts.  I created accounts and posts like the one I made on Rebelscum asking if anyone had any stories they wanted to share, and people came out of the woodwork.  Even after you were voted into the Hall of Shame people were emailing me stories and sending me links on how you screwed people over dating as far back as 1995 to when you were nominated and voted into the Hall of Shame a few years ago. Why did I go looking?  I vet anyone asking for money that I am about to contribute toward to see if their story is for real. 

Want an example?  1995?  But that is almost THIRTY years ago.  Okayyyy... here. https://groups.google.com/search?q=chip+cataldo&inOrg=false

In the above link there are posts archived where you did the same thing then that you are doing now.  You claim that you are making amends.  That you realize the error of your ways.  That you are a new man.  You are not a new man.  You are the alcoholic that has convinced himself that one beer is okay.    You have a systemic history of ingratiating yourselves towards others over a course of thirty years until you fall off the wagon and screw someone else over again.  Thirty years of history does not lie.  Thirty years of history show that these are not one off events but a routine and I believe you are at that routine again. 

I just tried looking for positive mentions of your name.  THAT is something I am having to search like, "mad" for.   I cannot find anything about the upstanding citizen you claim yourself to be now the accolades for the penance you have made reforming you into the pinnacle of what online businesses should aspire toward.

So stop propping yourself up on a pedestal.  You are a con artist.   When you say you are reformed, that too is probably part of the con.  You are merely currently not playing a mark.  @comix4fun has a good take on it.  Others do as well.   However, we have MANY new members that do not know you.  Even after you were voted into the Hall of Shame members came forward to share that you were trying to conduct business strictly through PMs to hide in the shadows after telling everyone that you would adhere to the forums' wishes and not do business here anymore.  You are a habitual liar and that is all you have demonstrated yourself to be with your actions.

 

And, in case this is pulled I am saving it to post again somewhere down the line.

Edited February 4 by Buzzetta

[Jimmy Linguini]

On 2/3/2024 at 12:31 PM, Nick Furious said:

In fairness to CGC, cameras can be a proactive visual deterrent, but they are typically reactive in terms of viewing the footage.  It could have been months before a single book was even known to be missing.  It's very possible that all the books were stolen in the timeframe before even the first theft was investigated by reviewing camera footage.  

Sure but my understanding was when submitting books they were in a secured facility. I assumed they would have lots of cameras so when looking at something like how many items an employee stole, it would all be on camera. But I'm basing all of this on what I want to believe. Weird stuff.

[JollyComics]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:45 AM, Galen130 said:

Roy has been banned until summer, so this thread hasn’t been locked yet.  Let’s stay on topic and keep it civil.  You know who you are. 

Roy is suspended again?  So many people hold grudges against him, I guess.

[PovertyRow]

On 2/4/2024 at 8:06 AM, Samlarn72 said:

Is there a list of the stolen comics?

 

[jimjum12]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:09 PM, jcjames said:

 

What a complete fustercluck! 

 

 

"The whole famdamily has been bucked by fuzzards", as my friend Roy used to say  GOD BLESS .... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:56 PM, PovertyRow said:

 

That’s the list of impacted books from swapgate.  Totally separate from the 27 books stolen by CGC employees.

[Galen130]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:56 AM, JollyComics said:

Roy is suspended again?  So many people hold grudges against him, I guess.

Yeah, back in December.  It’s in the Moderation thread.

[Buzzetta]

On 2/4/2024 at 12:45 PM, Jimmy Linguini said:

Sure but my understanding was when submitting books they were in a secured facility. I assumed they would have lots of cameras so when looking at something like how many items an employee stole, it would all be on camera. But I'm basing all of this on what I want to believe. Weird stuff.

I agree with this.  This is why I do not believe that this is a failure on CGC's part to watch who comes into contact with what they are holding.  I believe that the failure on CGC's part is an inventory and tracking issue. The most significant security measure should be in place with those who are responsible for unpacking and cataloguing what CGC receives.  If you have two people to verify that, then they know they have the books "somewhere" and things should not go missing.

After that, there should be some type of flagging for any order that is not processed within a certain amount of time.   If a book is not graded in a certain amount of time they should look to make sure the book is still there and did not mysteriously walk off. 

[PovertyRow]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:00 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

That’s the list of impacted books from swapgate.  Totally separate from the 27 books stolen by CGC employees.

Thanks! My bad. I can't keep up with the shenanigans, especially as I have just awaken, am still lying in bed, and have had no coffee as yet.

I think I'll make einkorn pancakes to go with my coffee.

Edited February 4 by PovertyRow
"waken up"??? Edit won't let me change that to "w o k e up"! This censorship getting ridiculous.