skybolt Posted Monday at 11:24 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:24 PM (edited) The only thing I can think of is that senior grades have a minimum set criterion for 9.9's and 10.0's. For example, the one SS 8 book clearly had a noticeable miswrap. The senior graders could see that through the slab and adjust the grade accordingly. Edited Monday at 11:57 PM by skybolt mosconi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted Monday at 11:26 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:26 PM On 10/21/2024 at 7:15 PM, skybolt said: The statement about the 9.9's being legit was in reference to the other 9 books. I'm sorry, could you speak up? How many? djzombi and DanJD 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom789 Posted Monday at 11:27 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:27 PM I went over all the 9.9s to see if they deserved their grades, using my admittedly novice grading skills. On four of them, I noticed no issues. But I also notice none on lots of 9.8s too. Anyway, here are notes on the other eight if you care to investigate further. Comments apply to front cover unless indicated. 001 - landing strip, possible faint crease bottom of spine 002 - bits of white at bindery corners 008 - small chips out of top edge, lower bindery corner showing some white 011 - Lower right corner slightly blunt, yellow stain on back, possibly from interior distributor ink 012 - slanted landing strip, soiling or ink splotch NW of "Frogger II" on back cover 016 - ink splotch on back cover 018 - landing strip 019 - possible 1"+ scratch, lower right corner grendel013 and BlowUpTheMoon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted Monday at 11:40 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:40 PM I went back and mined all the data going back to July 2001 from CGCDATA.COM. That is as far back as the data goes. That site has consolidated the data that is over 5 years old into 6 month summary records (likely to keep performance strong & storage requirements minimized). That explains why the graphic below is "blocky" until 2020. Created a new graph showing the Percentage of 10's & 9.9's compared to the total monthly census additions. Hopefully you can click on this to get a better view (I'll test it after I submit). As a baseline, the Average Percentages over the entire period (over 11 million census additions in 20+ years) is: 0.119% for 10's 0.482% for 9.9's -bc Msgarmar, WernerVonDoom, ExNihilo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncannyjames Posted Monday at 11:42 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:42 PM On 10/21/2024 at 5:38 PM, CGC Mike said: The 9.9’s are legit. As shown in the images, these are exceptionally nice books. There you have it folks! No shenanigans here! Let's review this submission... 21 books, 12 9.9s, all Copper and Bronze age books, NONE OF WHICH ARE SQUAREBOUND Here are the 9.9s from that submission: (2) Dazzler #1 (5) Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8 (1) New Mutants #1 (1) Wolverine Limited Series #4 (1) Uncanny X-Men #145 (1) Uncanny X-Men #174 (1) Uncanny X-Men Annual #3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted Monday at 11:47 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:47 PM On 10/21/2024 at 7:48 AM, mikenyc said: The self-proclaimed master graders on these boards, On 10/21/2024 at 7:48 AM, mikenyc said: They submit books into a completely subjective system and then are angry when they don't get the grades back they feel their submissions deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted Monday at 11:49 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:49 PM On 10/21/2024 at 4:40 PM, bc said: That site has consolidated the data that is over 5 years old into 6 month summary records (likely to keep performance strong & storage requirements minimized). That explains why the graphic below is "blocky" until 2020. @valiantman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM (edited) On 10/21/2024 at 11:10 AM, uncannyjames said: I feel like that if an independent data analytics team got a hold of CGC's census data and was able to create a scatter plot of all submissions with at least 1 9.9 in the submission that we would find out that submissions with MULTIPLE 9.9s would definitely be outliers and also that those submissions would be linked to a small subset of accounts (if you know what I'm saying). Edited yesterday at 12:06 AM by RockMyAmadeus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybolt Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:04 AM (edited) On 10/21/2024 at 6:42 PM, uncannyjames said: There you have it folks! No shenanigans here! Let's review this submission... 21 books, 12 9.9s, all Copper and Bronze age books, NONE OF WHICH ARE SQUAREBOUND Here are the 9.9s from that submission: (2) Dazzler #1 (5) Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8 (1) New Mutants #1 (1) Wolverine Limited Series #4 (1) Uncanny X-Men #145 (1) Uncanny X-Men #174 (1) Uncanny X-Men Annual #3 All I want to know is what sort of black magic do I need to practice to get that same grader on my next submission? Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by skybolt RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybolt Posted yesterday at 12:06 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:06 AM (edited) On 10/21/2024 at 7:03 PM, RockMyAmadeus said: Based on personal experience, I bet the person encapsulating the book jammed that 9.9 copy into the slab. Edited yesterday at 12:09 AM by skybolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vheflin Posted yesterday at 12:06 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:06 AM On 10/21/2024 at 7:40 PM, bc said: I went back and mined all the data going back to July 2001 from CGCDATA.COM. That is as far back as the data goes. That site has consolidated the data that is over 5 years old into 6 month summary records (likely to keep performance strong & storage requirements minimized). That explains why the graphic below is "blocky" until 2020. Created a new graph showing the Percentage of 10's & 9.9's compared to the total monthly census additions. Hopefully you can click on this to get a better view (I'll test it after I submit). As a baseline, the Average Percentages over the entire period (over 11 million census additions in 20+ years) is: 0.119% for 10's 0.482% for 9.9's -bc 10s look to be @ 0.55% now 9.9s @ 1.87% They are both being added at roughly 5x the 20 year average. I think that explains this submission and there will be (many) more submissions like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenyc Posted yesterday at 12:09 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:09 AM On 10/21/2024 at 7:47 PM, RockMyAmadeus said: Did is say graders? I meant baters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM On 10/21/2024 at 5:09 PM, mikenyc said: Did is say graders? I meant baters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted yesterday at 12:24 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:24 AM On 10/21/2024 at 8:06 PM, vheflin said: 10s look to be @ 0.55% now 9.9s @ 1.87% They are both being added at roughly 5x the 20 year average. I think that explains this submission and there will be (many) more submissions like it. You are super close: 10's are up to 0.53% as of Sept 24 9.9's are up to 1.88% as of Sept 24 -bc KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave2739 Posted yesterday at 01:23 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 01:23 AM On 10/21/2024 at 7:40 PM, bc said: I went back and mined all the data going back to July 2001 from CGCDATA.COM. That is as far back as the data goes. That site has consolidated the data that is over 5 years old into 6 month summary records (likely to keep performance strong & storage requirements minimized). That explains why the graphic below is "blocky" until 2020. Created a new graph showing the Percentage of 10's & 9.9's compared to the total monthly census additions. Hopefully you can click on this to get a better view (I'll test it after I submit). As a baseline, the Average Percentages over the entire period (over 11 million census additions in 20+ years) is: 0.119% for 10's 0.482% for 9.9's -bc Your graph reminds me of Carmine Infantino's skylines. bc, mtracy64, RockMyAmadeus and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnexus Posted yesterday at 01:32 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:32 AM (edited) On 10/21/2024 at 2:38 PM, CGC Mike said: This invoice was graded and QC’d by our senior team of graders. The 9.9’s are legit. As shown in the images, these are exceptionally nice books. Regarding the two examples with different grades shown in the online images, the grades were reassessed by the senior grading team during the QC step, but the original images were not replaced. This has been rectified. So wait, they were graded by senior graders, then were slabbed, then QC sends them to other senior graders who must have seen enough on them while slabbed (so no side spine) to bring them down to a 9.8? Edited 22 hours ago by Tnexus mosconi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel013 Posted yesterday at 01:45 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:45 AM I'm still waiting to see side photos. DanJD and mosconi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted yesterday at 02:09 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 02:09 AM On 10/21/2024 at 5:38 PM, CGC Mike said: The 9.9’s are legit. With all due respect of course you are going to say that. Its not like CGC could possibly say anything else. Silver Surfer, GeeksAreMyPeeps, MatterEaterLad and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Axelrod Posted yesterday at 02:31 AM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 02:31 AM The red flag is: Why was this invoice, full of very common and otherwise not especially valuable books, assigned to CGC's "senior" team of graders? And I suspect the answer is: Because the fix was in. This was not just a random submission. This was a submission where phone calls were made, special care was taken, and special consideration was very likely given. I would bet money that this submission involved a personal phone call to Matt Nelson (or similar) from a very special friend, giving a heads-up that said special friend was sending a set of books that they thought were 9.9/10 candidates, and would you please take a very close and careful look at these when they come in thank you very much.... Morganmi, Chip Cataldo, MatterEaterLad and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engr62 Posted yesterday at 02:33 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:33 AM On 10/21/2024 at 9:32 PM, Tnexus said: So wait, they were graded by one grader, then were slabbed, then QC sends them to the senior graders who must have seen enough on them while slabbed (so no side spine) to bring them down to a 9.8? The senior graders probably noticed they had a spine tick from the bent inner wells they put them in, so they knocked them down a grade. crazyhips, RockMyAmadeus, DanJD and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...