BangZoom Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Very interesting - made me wonder for some reason to what extent - if any- these pulp tec creators might have been influenced by Sherlock Holmes - but being a Brit I'm bound to think of that arent I? I would think that The Scarlet Pimpernel might have been a bigger influence. Another possible influence might have been Frank Packard's Jimmie Dale. I guess I thought of Holmes because he too regarded the authorities as dimwits! I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of which characters were costumed crime-fighters who had secret identities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Further Adventures of Zorro. Argosy All-Story Weekly (May 6, 1922) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I also strongly recommend Robert Weinberg's book, The Weird Tales Story . Ordered (thnx). I just read the chapter with E. Hoffman Price's recollections and insights on Farnsworth Wright, the edtior of Weird Tales. A remarkable essay on a remarkable man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 "Rocambole anticipates characters such as A.J. Raffles, Arsène Lupin, Fantômas, The Saint, Doc Savage, Judex and The Shadow." I have the multi-part Judex silent film by Louis Feuilladeon on DVD and it was a pleasure to watch. It's a darn good movie but as it was filmed in 1917 it also provides an interesting look at the world as it was nearly a century ago. Note: Judex, which translates to "Justice," is an avenger operating outside law. http://www.amazon.com/Judex-Deluxe-Ren%C3%A9-Crest%C3%A9/dp/B0001Y4MJA/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1302408108&sr=1-1 That is interesting Alan, I didnt know the original was available. Judex was remade around 1963 by Georges Franju (who also made a classic horror film called "Les Yeux Sans Visage", which I highjly recommend to anyone who doesnt know it) In his version of Judex, Franju sought to recapture the feel of the silent fueillades. As with Cocteau's "Orphee", the imagery is poetically surrealistic, and beats the pants of modern cgi -not because itis more convincingly realistic, but because it is dreamlike. Some stills: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Les Yeux Sans Visage - way off topic but worth posting anyway: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Very interesting - made me wonder for some reason to what extent - if any- these pulp tec creators might have been influenced by Sherlock Holmes - but being a Brit I'm bound to think of that arent I? I would think that The Scarlet Pimpernel might have been a bigger influence. Another possible influence might have been Frank Packard's Jimmie Dale. I guess I thought of Holmes because he too regarded the authorities as dimwits! I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of which characters were costumed crime-fighters who had secret identities. Yes, as opposed to detectives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyway, Alanna, if you want a deeper look into these issues, I recommend you check out the following books by Richard Sampson, in particular, Volume 1 which talks directly to the discussion we are having since it is " [..] concerned with the slow shaping of many literary conventions over many decades. This volume begins the study with the dime novels and several early series characters who influenced the direction of pulp fiction at its source." The detectives are covered in Volume 4 - The Solvers. :thumbsup: Yesterday's Faces: A Study of Series Characters in the Early Pulp Magazines Volume 1 Glory Figures Volume 2 Strange Days Volume 3 From the Dark Side Volume 4 The Solvers Volume 5 Dangerous Horizons Volume 6 Violent Lives A quick check on Amazon shows that these are back in print available at decent prices. I have copies of books I got through ILL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) Over a year ago we were asked by Scrooge to determine the type of aircraft on this Lightning cover. I don't think I came up with a good answer at the time but after seeing a current news article on Yahoo, I decided it looks a lot like the Dornier-17. I could still be wrong and it may have been identified two years ago but I like to say the name, the Fliegender Bleistift (Flying Pencil). Edited April 10, 2011 by BB-Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Darn. I had another plane question the other day but didn't dare post it ... I think it was a book in Ciorac's sale thread I was wondering about but I can't swear to that. If I run across it, I'll post it somewhere. The Dornier looks close but as you know not all details are right which can simply be the artist's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyway, Alanna, if you want a deeper look into these issues, I recommend you check out the following books by Richard Sampson, in particular, Volume 1 which talks directly to the discussion we are having since it is " [..] concerned with the slow shaping of many literary conventions over many decades. This volume begins the study with the dime novels and several early series characters who influenced the direction of pulp fiction at its source." The detectives are covered in Volume 4 - The Solvers. :thumbsup: Yesterday's Faces: A Study of Series Characters in the Early Pulp Magazines Volume 1 Glory Figures Volume 2 Strange Days Volume 3 From the Dark Side Volume 4 The Solvers Volume 5 Dangerous Horizons Volume 6 Violent Lives A quick check on Amazon shows that these are back in print available at decent prices. I have copies of books I got through ILL. For many years Bowling Green University used to offer the Sampson books for sale at big discounts at their annual clearance sale. I bought my copies of volumes 1 - 5 at prices averaging around $7 each. I also bought Deadly Excitement Shadows & Phantoms, Spider, and The Night Master at prices of 30 - 70 % off retail. I don't know if they still hold their annual sales but it would probably be worth writing to them to inquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) Darn. I had another plane question the other day but didn't dare post it ... I think it was a book in Ciorac's sale thread I was wondering about but I can't swear to that. If I run across it, I'll post it somewhere. The Dornier looks close but as you know not all details are right which can simply be the artist's fault. I think you must have seen these Grumman Avengers and wondered. I originally thought they were Dauntless dive bombers but the design isn't the same. Art by Heath Edited April 10, 2011 by BB-Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyway, Alanna, if you want a deeper look into these issues, I recommend you check out the following books by Richard Sampson, in particular, Volume 1 which talks directly to the discussion we are having since it is " [..] concerned with the slow shaping of many literary conventions over many decades. This volume begins the study with the dime novels and several early series characters who influenced the direction of pulp fiction at its source." The detectives are covered in Volume 4 - The Solvers. :thumbsup: Yesterday's Faces: A Study of Series Characters in the Early Pulp Magazines Volume 1 Glory Figures Volume 2 Strange Days Volume 3 From the Dark Side Volume 4 The Solvers Volume 5 Dangerous Horizons Volume 6 Violent Lives A quick check on Amazon shows that these are back in print available at decent prices. I have copies of books I got through ILL. For many years Bowling Green University used to offer the Sampson books for sale at big discounts at their annual clearance sale. I bought my copies of volumes 1 - 5 at prices averaging around $7 each. I also bought Deadly Excitement Shadows & Phantoms, Spider, and The Night Master at prices of 30 - 70 % off retail. I don't know if they still hold their annual sales but it would probably be worth writing to them to ask them. I lived in Toledo during the late sixties but was unaware of any collection in nearby Bowling Green. What do they have there now? Ohio State has the Caniff collection and MSU has all of Jerry Bails' microfilm, plus many other volumes of comics, strips, fiche, etc. Is the V.T. Hamlin collection in Missouri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 That is interesting Alan, I didnt know the original was available. Judex was remade around 1963 by Georges Franju (who also made a classic horror film called "Les Yeux Sans Visage", which I highjly recommend to anyone who doesnt know it) I looked up the remake of Judex and as I suspected it's a Region 2 DVD and therefore wouldn't play on US machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 It could also be a Junker 86. The turret could be lowered in flight and the tail is the same. Many of the German aircraft were photographed during the Spanish Civil War and probably the photos were used as models for these covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I believe you've got it this time :hail: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theagenes Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 One of my favorite pulp heroes is Zorro. My memories of him are mostly from the TV show where I recall he had an adversarial relationship with the authorities. All-Story Weekly (August 9, 1919) Wow! You've been holding out! That is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I believe you've got it this time :hail: I agree -- it's a little easier to see in the photo in this link. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviation/img/saab/saabju86.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviation/text/b3junkers86.html&h=506&w=710&sz=31&tbnid=ydNBUeP2wR-raM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=140&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djunker%2B86%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=junker+86&usg=__KIlpH1CNsjWATs-1pZqaD3OMFzY=&sa=X&ei=wB6iTbeVC4yctwe8teiGAw&ved=0CCYQ9QEwAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 That is interesting Alan, I didnt know the original was available. Judex was remade around 1963 by Georges Franju (who also made a classic horror film called "Les Yeux Sans Visage", which I highjly recommend to anyone who doesnt know it) I looked up the remake of Judex and as I suspected it's a Region 2 DVD and therefore wouldn't play on US machines. ...there is always the internet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Anyway, Alanna, if you want a deeper look into these issues, I recommend you check out the following books by Richard Sampson, in particular, Volume 1 which talks directly to the discussion we are having since it is " [..] concerned with the slow shaping of many literary conventions over many decades. This volume begins the study with the dime novels and several early series characters who influenced the direction of pulp fiction at its source." The detectives are covered in Volume 4 - The Solvers. :thumbsup: Yesterday's Faces: A Study of Series Characters in the Early Pulp Magazines Volume 1 Glory Figures Volume 2 Strange Days Volume 3 From the Dark Side Volume 4 The Solvers Volume 5 Dangerous Horizons Volume 6 Violent Lives A quick check on Amazon shows that these are back in print available at decent prices. I have copies of books I got through ILL. For many years Bowling Green University used to offer the Sampson books for sale at big discounts at their annual clearance sale. I bought my copies of volumes 1 - 5 at prices averaging around $7 each. I also bought Deadly Excitement Shadows & Phantoms, Spider, and The Night Master at prices of 30 - 70 % off retail. I don't know if they still hold their annual sales but it would probably be worth writing to them to inquire. I lived in Toledo during the late sixties but was unaware of any collection in nearby Bowling Green. What do they have there now? Ohio State has the Caniff collection and MSU has all of Jerry Bails' microfilm, plus many other volumes of comics, strips, fiche, etc. Is the V.T. Hamlin collection in Missouri? I was wondering why I hadn't received any sales notices from Bowling Green's Popular Press in recent years; now I know why. The imprint was sold to the University of Wisconsin in 2002. Bowling Green's Popular Press University of Wisconsin Press Browne Popular Culture Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 The Junkers Ju 86 bomber is also pictured on this cover of Flying Aces. Artwork is by August Schomburg. December 1939 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
