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Wayne-Tec

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    Detective Comics #27 CGC 9.2

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    Thanks for the response, and for the thoughtful analysist of my points(t shirts) :banana: as I also concede, that in video games, DVD, blu ray, downloads, yes Batman is king. This is one of the fundamental joys of comic book collecting: whose hero is " better" than whose, lol . I feel like I'm 9 years old again. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion, and if/ when that Tec hits the market place, the question will be answered.

     

    As I've often said, one thing that we all have in common here is that we're passionate enough about these books to sign in and discuss. In the poll thread addressing this topic, the results (so far) seem to echo what I've expressed.

     

    Under age 30:

     

    *2 votes for Action #1

    *6 votes for Tec #27

     

    Age 30-39:

     

    *3 votes for Action #1

    *12 votes for Tec #27

     

    Age 40-49:

     

    *13 votes for Action #1

    *12 votes for Tec #27

     

    Age 50-59:

     

    *7 votes for Action #1

    *5 votes for Tec #27

     

    Age 60+:

     

    *2 votes for Action #1

    *1 vote for Tec #27

     

     

    It's a very small sample size of course. It can also be broken down into 39 and younger vs. 40 and older.

     

     

    39 and younger:

     

    *5 votes for Action #1

    *18 votes for Tec #27

     

    40 and older:

     

    *22 votes for Action #1

    *18 votes for Tec #27

     

    Detective Comics #27 CGC 9.2

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    Hoping that this can be a rational friendly debate: I still disagree. Many people argue, The Simpsons because they've been on TV for so many consecutive years will be bigger than Mickey Mouse, even Bugs Bunny eventually because the generation growing up on them will take over and that will be their nostalgia. I don't think that can/will EVER happen. And while a lot of noted film historians do think Bugs is a better defined character over all(+1) than Mickey, i know Mickey will always be the yard stick because he was the first indisputable cartoon super star. Superman holds that distinction in the superhero realm.

    In a class with Mickey and Coke he is Americana. As long as informed hobbyist are around, someone will always inform the new blood coming into the hobby(collectors and investors)it started with him. I think DC comics only relented with letting Superman slip so low and not promoting him like they used to for the last 15 years or so, were the court cases when it looked like they would lose or share the character with the creators heirs. I believe if that was not going on they would never had let such a valuable iconic property slip as their flagship character. And that short less new design to his appearance? Blaspheme.

    I'll leave you with this my friend( and I mean that) , you say it's mainly because of a generation issue of people who didn't grow up with Superman as the dominate character. Do a little test for me. Look at all the people in the 19 to 30 year old bracket in superhero tee shirts. They can choose from a plethora of characters now marketed to wear because of the movie boom to show their superhero pride. I'll bet my collection, you will see more Superman 'S' shirts than Batman shirts probably 10 to one. They know, it's the universal superhero fan calling card. It stands for superhero universally(symbolically) , and wearing it makes us all feel a little "super". What do you know DC, people still wanna be like Superman!

     

    I appreciate your enthusiasm and always welcome differing opinions. (thumbs u

     

    You make some solid points as Superman is the quintessential superhero. The historical significance of Action #1 is a huge factor to me, but again, I love Superman and am a much bigger fan of his than most people in my age group.

     

    In respects to t-shirts, I also suspect that Superman has Batman beat, for the reasons you stated. But in overall merchandise, including the sale of films via DVD, Blu Ray and digital download -- in terms of video games (the famed Arkham series) and beyond, I do not think that Superman is the bigger seller. Perhaps someone can find some hard evidence to either support or disprove that assumption.

     

    I do not believe that DC has intentionally let Superman slip from the perch of being their flagship character. Batman has continued to trend upward while Superman has been up and down, but never reaching Batman's heights during the 21st century.

     

    Being number one in 2014 means a bit more than being number one in 1978. Being on top during this generation means being the driving force behind cinematic blockbusters that eclipse $1,000,000,000. Whether it be a previous generation of collectors or simply knowing your history, younger generations will understand Action #1's place in history. That doesn't mean they'll be willing to pay more for a book featuring a character that many of them don't even like, especially doing so in favor of a book that features, arguably, the most beloved character of their generation.

    Detective Comics #27 CGC 9.2

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    Why would anyone pay to get a book graded if they did not want to sell it? It's throwing money away (something Verzyl and DA haven't done) and it steals the thunder of a big splash when you eventually do want to sell it.

     

    Because the book, in this case worth millions, is safer in a slab than it is in mylar. Because you'd know for sure whether or not there is restoration and because you'd know where your copy stands grade-wise.

    Detective Comics #27 CGC 9.2

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    I don't buy into the "Tec #27 will NEVER pass Action #1" mantra.

     

    There was a time when people couldn't imagine Batman topping Superman in popularity and now, we're heading into a third consecutive decade of Batman's dominance. I'm only 25 and I come from a generation that has adored Batman, while many are either indifferent towards Superman, or worse, don't even like the character.

     

    Right now older generations, the ones who grew up many decades ago when Superman was held in much higher esteem, are the ones with the greatest spending power. Comic collecting is highly nostalgic-based, and it's no surprise to see collectors of those generations having very fond memories of Superman.

     

    Eventually, my generation will get older, come into greater spending power and they'll have to make a decision between two books that are already similar in value. To assume, often based on little more than the "that's how it's always been" and "the significance of being the first superhero" factors, that Action #1 will always remain number one is a bit short-sided IMO.

     

    Comparing one book's 9.0 to another's 9.2 will depend on a number of factors: eye appeal, PQ, state of preservation, venue of sale, other existing copies in similar or superior condition, timing, etc.

     

    But in the long run, from a simple Action #1 vs. Tec #27 standpoint, we may eventually see Tec #27 as the top book in our hobby.

    Batman #1 Club

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    I thought this book would top out around $25k, never expected bidders to put this high of a premium on it for the provenance of the book, just crazy.

     

    ..........and reserve still not met. :juggle:

     

    43k and counting. Bob Kane file copy or not that's crazy!!!!!

     

    brittle pgs, from bound volume, 2 extra staples added, not manufacturing, trimmed, incomplete: 13th & 14th page missing, affects story

     

    The Kane copy of Batman #2 is at $2,151.

     

    The historical significance of Batman #1 is a major driving force here.

    Batman #1 Club

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted

    We were discussing Batman #1 vs. Tec #31 here recently, and it will be interesting to see where the Kane copies finish.

     

    Batman #1 is up to $16,634 with the reserve not met.

     

    Tec #31 is up to $4,600.

     

    that has got to be a record for a .5 copy, I mean it would if reserve is met. right? (shrug)

     

    I imagine so.

     

    It being a Kane copy helps, but this is a Batman #1 after all.

     

    It was put on display, right alongside Tec #27.

     

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    Batman #1 Club

    in Golden Age Comic Books

    Posted · Edited by Wayne-Tec

    Members of the Batman #1 club as of 8/15/14:

     

    *10 CGC universal copies

    *2 CGC NG universal copies

    *1 CGC qualified copy

    *6 CGC restored copies

    *5 raw copies

     

     

    CGC Universal:

     

    4.0 (CRM/OW); Bunky Brian (28)

    3.5 (OW/W); G.A.tor (12)

    3.5 (CRM/OW); sarte (10)

    3.0 (OW/W); Bunky Brian (28)

    2.5 (OW/W); Shortspanishguy (32)

    2.5 (OW); Dark Knight (15)

    2.5 (CRM/OW); Racer-X (1)

    2.0 (OW/W); Primetime (4)

    2.0 (OW/W); airwalker (36)

    1.8 (OW/W); Bunky Brian (28)

    NG Coverless, missing 1st wrap (B); BaltimoreLauren (1)

    NG 22nd page (OW/W); Irish75 (27)

     

     

    CGC Qualified:

     

    1.8 (OW); showcase22gr1959

     

     

    CGC Restored:

     

    7.5 (OW/W)--Moderate (P); Xavier Logan (5)

    7.0 (OW)--Moderate (P); ciorac (2)

    6.0 (CRM/OW)--Moderate (P); RedFury (2)

    5.5 (OW)--Extensive (P); goldenacase (14)

    5.0 Extensive (P); 50AE_DE (9)

    0.5 (CRM/OW)--Slight (A); WayneTec (1)

     

     

    Raw Copies:

     

    batman_fan; (1)

    AnkurJ; (3)

    BitterOldMan; (4)

    Ihcomics; (4)

    woowoo; (33)