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Did he actually purchase it on ebay. I am under the impression that it was a face to face transaction all around. If it was on ebay why didn't he use the proper channels through ebay to get his money back. Add to it that Andy "October" told him to his face, directly, without equivocation, doubt or failure of certainty that the book was absolutely, positively, restored to which he responded that he would "sell it on ebay anyway" which is how Twisty bought it...then you've got something worse than the seller being simply stupid.

ComicSupply is on the list for failure to complete board transactions.

He has been outed in three threads already. I am not going to debate this with you as there is no winning here. The probation list is for board transactions only. Once that rule is broken where do you draw the line. The list is meant for on board transaction that go astray. I am not dismissing the atrocity of this behavior. But it was an off board transaction. The buyer should seek full refund or at least the dollars he is out. So you don't think that this behavior, and the victimized party still being lied to, having to chase the guy down physically to get a partial refund back and having to go through the effort of selling the book to recoup some money and having this go on for TWO YEARS isn't something that every single person on this board should be warned about BEFORE dealing with this guy? Let's be real for a second, probation list semantics aside, this type of action indicates dishonesty to an extreme and obvious degree. If someone who failed to pay for a $20 book because they changed their mind about it can go on the probation list then adding this guy is a no-brainer. What are we trying to accomplish with the probation list? If we are trying to educate the users of this forum to real and tangible threats to their selling and buying activities then HOW CAN WE NOT INCLUDE HIM? At this point I think it would border on negligence to NOT add him. We've got clear and convincing evidence of a real, actual act of dishonesty. Frankly, in my jurisdiction this amount of money would qualify as Felony Theft by Deception, so this isn't something to turn a blind eye towards. Failing to act on this endangers everyone who chooses to do business here.

I feel for you but IMO (which means nothing here) this wasn't a board transaction so it he should not appear on the list. Are you out any monies? You sold it for 400 and he also gave you 400. I read like three threads on this one subject so I am confused.

I have Betty and Veronica Digest 1. Got it in a lot for the two with Katy reprints.

I collect Katy Keene stories from digest and her 80's appearances. One day, I will start on vol 1. I just finished up collecting Cheryl Blossom mini series.

There's actually quite a few digests with those 2 page Katy Keene stories.

I don't want the reason for my post to be missed. I am still waiting for an answer regarding why sales threads are allowed without disclosing shipping cost and methods.

Thank you for posting this but truthfully it doesn't change my perception which is the important consumer factor in the equation. I haven't received one beat up manilla envelope package regardless of it thickness whereas all except one priority envelope has had some sort of damage. Even the priority boxes are sometimes damaged. I try to mail everything in a box although I do on occasion use a manilla evelope for the cheaper purchases. My other gripe with Priority mail is that I cannot repurpose the box so it completely wasteful for me. Whereas the other packages I can either reuse the box or cut it down. This is a big reason why I don't particular care for PO but the other is that the contents are not normally packed correctly. I tried ordering the padded PO envelopes but after 8 weeks of waiting for them, I am giving up. I am too assume the same thing will happen if I order the boxes. I'm sorry that you don't understand how the PO works, as lots of people do not. There are multiple ways an item can go through the PO. Everything doesn't go in one thing/bin/box/pile/hamper etc. Actual letters go in trays that fit them well. Special registered mail and Express Mail go in separate bags or tubs, never with other mail. Anything which is extremely thin and not too long or too short, will all go in flat containers or tubs(which people steal and use as garbage cans(you've seen them)), and get sorted in specific flat cases. Everything else that doesn't fit perfectly in the letter trays or flat tubs, it all goes in very large containers, as parcels. That includes odd shaped items or anything a PO employee "feels" like tossing into the parcels. Here's a bit of an example of stupidity, medium sized envelopes with pictures in them(think 5x7" in size), those get tossed into the parcels. The fools who take in those items decide that they aren't shaped enough like a flat or letter, so they make them into parcels. The have a parcel hamper nearby, and they toss odd things like that into it. It all travels like that until it reaches the final PO, then a clerk will take them out and toss them into individual hampers for each mail carrier. We pick them out and sort them to prepare them with the other mail, to be delivered. We see tons of damaged parcels every day, maybe 1-2 for each route. It's not the well packed parcels which get damaged, it's the flimsy thin things with no packing material, or in a flexible envelope which we see damaged. What that means is that the only way to get comics into the flat stream, is to package them very thin and not bigger than a proper common Manila envelope. If you pack too many in it, or it's not a light uniform item, it gets tossed into the parcels. The parcels handling is what you want to avoid, or pack it really well. If you don't pack it well enough to be able to handle a big impact from other parcels, then you better make sure it's really thin and doesn't get tossed into the parcels. So, how many people are shipping one or two comics, packed really thin because it's only got a thin piece of cardboard on each side? Those articles can usually get away with being shipped cheap, but it's still a big risk. If you ship stuff that is thicker than say3/8" or so, than it's going to be handled as a parcel, and it better be a whole lot thicker and stronger than a 1/2" "box" or container. Thus the free Priority Mail boxes are about the right size, they are about 3" thick, and larger in the other dimensions, than CGC slabs. If you can find a cheap plain box that is similar in size to the Priority Mail boxes, try that. But if you hadn't noticed, the USPS charges the same price for 1st class as it does for Priority Mail, beyond a certain distance, or weight. So they all end up costing the same as a Priority Mail box. Thus, use the free #1095 and #1092 boxes.

When I hold a sales thread, I generally state "shipping will be $X.xx via media mail (or whatever works best). I just tell people to PM me with any questions on shipping cost. To me, it does start to get a little difficult to put up an estimate for x amount of comics because often it'll depend on the sellers location and how many books they buy. With these different variables, I could include an entire shipping cost estimate table, or I could just say "PM me with any shipping questions" and get to listing the books. I'm not really sure what you mean about the last sentence. If you're waiting for a shipping quote and you miss out on a book, the seller isn't losing a sale. Conversely, if you get a response, you can make a decision to buy a book based on the precise shipping cost. Finally, whenever I send out invoices, I'll typically work out a shipping quote based on the location listed under their name. Why isn't it a rule for buyers that a location be listed? I was referring to the conditional . If I were to do this on a sales thread pending shipping quote, the seller could the sale if someone else wanted the book. But they move along because of my post. Media Mail is the same rate regardless of location. If the seller is not using media mail but 1st class same thing applies. The only time location comes into play is with Parcel or now the regional. I know that 5 books bag and boarded is approx. 1 lb. When I do an estimate I round up to the whole dollar. However, I charge exact shipping when I invoice for the most part. I always state the shipping up front. I state that I ship media mail but will use another method if requested. When I bill I bill using media mail because that is the specified method on my thread. I can understand international shipping is difficult to put in the sale thread. But shipping within the states isn't that difficult to determine upfront, IMO.

I still will never understand why everyone thinks Priority Mail is so superior. Every single priority envelope (with the exception of one) I have received in such a state that I am shocked the comics survived with little damage. Side splits, huge corner dings. I find my post office to be really harsh on priority mail handling and even boxes look like they have been through the mill. I fare much better with a plain manilla envelope. In fact the only book that was damaged shipping via manilla envelope was entirely my fault. I ended dropping the package while walking in the house. Plus why should I pay extra for a service that is not needed? Meaning, I don't need a rush shipping for any comic I purchase. I am plenty happy waiting for it and honestly 1st class is just as good. In any event, I am still curious why this isn't a rule for sellers? It is not hard to put up an estimated shipping for x amount of comics. The conditional isn't a bad idea but it really isn't fair to both the seller and other buyers. I don't want to have the seller lose potential sales because I am waiting for a shipping quote.

I have a question about shipping disclosures and outlining shipping fee structure up front on a sales thread. Why is it acceptable not to include this information on a sales thread? One sales thread I had asked for a price in the thread but had to wait for a response back. I risked losing the book. I am at a point that I am only really purchasing one or two books so shipping is a factor in my decision. I think it is poor form not to include this information up front. Would any one here purchase blindly on ebay? I don't think so. As a consumer I would like all the information up front so I can make an decision. I have tried to put my trust in the more bigger sellers here and those are the ones that I am never happy with the outcome. I guess I am just too small a buyer for them. On the flip side, there was a thread about comics and media mail. I believe there is a divide on the subject and some of the members are having problems with media mail. I think it is important for the seller to list their shipping option they are comfortable with in the beginning of the thread. I have no problem with media mail but if a seller does, I may still be left with the option of only purchasing one book via First Class. But when there are no options spelled out, I just assume that it is buyers choice.

Hmmm, I see a lot of them in my neck of the woods. But hunting specific issues is another story. I buy based on corny covers (and since 99.99% of them are pretty corny, that makes it easy). I tend to go 1976 or earlier, but with Archies, that's probably just the opposite of what I should be doing as the stuff from the 80's is probably harder to find. I believe you are in NY like me. If you don't mind telling me where there is a good place to find Archies, I would appreciate it. I am looking for some from the 80's and a series from 2000. I had gone to Roger's but he told me when the come in he dumps them into the dollar bins. Rogers is a place I've bought a bunch. I see them a lot in $1-$2 boxes at shows around here (so less per book you buy a stack). I'd imagine Koch's Avalanche of Wonder has them for that range too (I wasn't looking for those last time I was there though). I'm not talking about the CB issues, just Archies in general. I bought a bunch out of the 50 cent box (and was charged 5 cents each) from a place that went under last year (Joe Rock's Dugout). I bought some cheap ones at Midtown comics when they opened up downtown and had a 40 (or was it 50)% off sale. Chameleon has had them in the past for $1 (and I bought them there), but haven't seen them for a while. I'm not going to give you the info on my flea market guy...at least until I pick him clean of anything good. :-) Thanks. I guess it's just hit and miss. I should stake out the flea markets down in the city but I usually find enough good deals at local garage sales. Thanks for the heads up. So far I have had zero luck with the LCS in Westchester and the one in Stamford I go to. I was going to start calling around but figured it's easier to find them at auction or My Comic Shop.

Hmmm, I see a lot of them in my neck of the woods. But hunting specific issues is another story. I buy based on corny covers (and since 99.99% of them are pretty corny, that makes it easy). I tend to go 1976 or earlier, but with Archies, that's probably just the opposite of what I should be doing as the stuff from the 80's is probably harder to find. I believe you are in NY like me. If you don't mind telling me where there is a good place to find Archies, I would appreciate it. I am looking for some from the 80's and a series from 2000. I had gone to Roger's but he told me when the come in he dumps them into the dollar bins.

Once they put her as feature story in B&V Friends DD, her back issues sold out. I was waiting until I collected the minis and missed out on the series in the Archie store.

If you are looking for individual issues, I am finding them extremely difficult. I am trying to collect Katy Keene appearances in some of the 80's Archie titles. I am down to one issue but I am sure more exist but aren't documented. As for Cheryl Blossom, she is in demand and her comics are hard to find. I think $2 an issue is nice condition is very reasonable. Lately, I feel that dollar comics has past.

No problem. You should try asking over at the Archie Fan Forum. There is a guy over there that is collecting all of Cheryl Blossom appearances. I didn't find much help here when I was looking for Katy Keene stuff. http://www.archiefans.com/

It's so hard to find info on Archie comics. I had tried putting a list together for Cheryl Blossom but stopped early on. I just pulled these from Overstreet 2010 for you and add the comments: Archie and Friends (1992) 79 (Cheryl Blossom Returns) Archie at Riverdale High 90 (Early Cheryl Blossom); 99; 103 (Archie dates CB) Archie Comics 323 (CB pinup); 325 CB Appearance; 326 Early CB Archie's Girls B&V 320 (Intro); 321; 322 (CB meets Archie 1st time) 328 Archie's Pals 'n Gals 161 (3rd App/ 1st Solo & pinup; 2nd Jason Blossom) Archie's TV Laugh-Out 91 (early CB) Betty and Me 136 (CB Cameo) B&V Spectacular (1992) 48 (CB Leaves Riverdale) 64 (CB Returns) Jughead 325 Laugh 380 Pep Comics (1940) 396 (early CB) Veronica 39 (pt 4 Love Showdown); 155 Overstreet doesn't list all the appearances. I know this when I used it for Katy Keene. Here's a few more that I found from other sites but I don't have the issues so I cannot verify the accuracy. I believe I took this info from http://www.nostalgiazone.com/ ARCHIE 441 ARCHIE AT RIVERDALE HIGH 89 , 92 I just found this site that may be helpful: http://www.xowcomics.com/search.htm?s=&c=&q=cheryl+blossom Of course don't forget about her 3 special minis and own run. These are all hard to find. Most LCS will tell you that they throw any archies they get in the dollar bins which sell out within a couple of weeks. If you have any leads on Archies please let me know. Edit: Here's another source that has more: http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=13269 http://www.comics.org/character/name/cheryl%20blossom/sort/alpha/

I don't believe I am lucky. I have let many buyers out of deals. Although I believe in the integrity of the little takeit guy I also believe that if the seller and buyer do not wish to continue they are not obligated. I am more surprised by the 3rd parties post resolution comments then anything else. I have no stake here but it is ironic that you called out someone else for backing out of your deal because they were not comfortable with the terms. http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3968287&fpart=51 There really is no irony there if you read what happened. Jeff gave him the opportunity to back out and he didn't. Then he busted out a chargeback for trumped up ridiculous reasons. I am not a fan of how Jeff handled things with Menace, but they worked it out and that is what these threads are all about. Everyone else's agenda is moot. But really, keep on beating the drum, it keeps popcorn sales chugging along. I am not trying to beat a drum but just highlight the history. That's it. If he didn't block Menace then this would have been handled discretely. I am happy that both parties worked out their problems.

I don't believe I am lucky. I have let many buyers out of deals. Although I believe in the integrity of the little takeit guy I also believe that if the seller and buyer do not wish to continue they are not obligated. I am more surprised by the 3rd parties post resolution comments then anything else. I have no stake here but it is ironic that you called out someone else for backing out of your deal because they were not comfortable with the terms. http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3968287&fpart=51

The problem is that when someone posts a conditional "takeit", it still looks like a "takeit" to everyone else. Look at Andrew's latest FS thread, for instance: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4525622 Cal posts this: Andrew posts this: If I'm scrolling through that thread, it looks like that ASM #19 has sold - and Andrew now has to post to explain that the book is still on the market. Looking at the thread, the books appears to be sold because of the wording. I would think that he has the PM oked. Unless I scroll down pass this then I wouldn't know if the book is available. If the buyer wants to ask questions, they really shouldn't use the sign at all. My belief is that unless it is a really hot book, most members would want to snag a book from someone else. So putting up a conditional I'll take it just hampers a future sale for the seller.

No I have to read this thing.

Who the hell is bob? And where the hell is Neil?

Did he draw this one too? What the heck is Batman riding?

Well I am never among the popular on these type of discussions but the seller asked him to post in the thread. The buyer should have just done it to seal the deal. I once asked a seller a question about what was collected in a tpb. In the same pm stated I would take another book as well and wanted a shipping quote. The seller provided the info and requested that I put up the I'll take it in the sales thread. No biggie, I did as requested to make the sale final and public.