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Ryan, to clarify: Green CSG to Black CSG relabel: $10 Black CSG to Black CGC relabel: $5 Blue CGC to Black CGC relabel: $5 Green CSG to Black CGC relabel: $5? What is the CGC scale, anyway? Is it basically just swap out perfect with a lesser grade of pristine... which, BTW, CSG got rid of because it was deemed unnecessary and not market acceptable... 15 months ago.

Now that CCG has decided to change yet again, what are your thoughts on the choice to reintroduce pristine and eliminate perfect?

Not sure why no one official replied to this. The answer is no. CSG doesn’t have holders that are large enough to accommodate that size.

3. Actually fairly simple: Look at cards produced after CoVID started OR look at commons and minor stars from the junk wax era. CoVID caused prices to bubble, so people started submitting all sorts of nonsense to PSA hoping to catch 10s. 4. That is not exactly logical. Given time to review the green and black label outcomes, a CSG 9.5 is closer to a PSA 9+ than the hypothetical PSA 9.5. This is why the choice to reimplement Pristine as a grading tier to sports (rather than eliminating it from non-sports) by CCG (CSG/CGC parent company) is almost nonsensical. This action reflects the decision making that led to CCG abandoning SGC the first time around (green label). 1. I think more junk wax cases were broken during CoVID (yielding pack fresh or PSA 8.5 or better quality cards) that got subbed than the “best in PSA cases pre-CSG” argument accounts for. This is why I say the solution to #3 is look at junk wax semi stars. They were rarely submitted pre-bubble.

So, for the purposes of registry points, how are black label perfect CSG cards being treated? Are they scored the same as CGC Pristine? Wasn’t the reason behind eliminating the Pristine from CSG to eliminate confusion? Seems like people who had green 9.5s that were sent in for black GM 10s should be extended a courtesy review (not free, but $5) to see if they would be qualified as CGC Pristine.

Is the Perfect 10 designation being removed? Are GM 10 cards eligible for pristine reconsideration?

#1 I doubt Upper Deck would want you to send the holo back to them. It’s over 30 yrs old, and they’re under different ownership. Even if they did want it, it would be mainly to see if anyone (highly unlikely) counterfeiting junk wax food holos. #2 Even if it’s super rare, I don’t imagine there being a large market for these, so it’s probably not worth grading. #3 Your holo has a lot of scratches on the shiny side, so it would get a low surface grade, anyway. I think the non-error versions sell for 50c-$2, so I can’t imagine this being worth the cost of grading.

Thanks for checking into this.

Still waiting. Has there been any response?

I disagree. If a crease were created as you describe, it would show up on the front, which it doesn’t.

No, because there would be more white showing. Whatever mounting material they used may eventually damage the card, but it seems fine for the moment. Zoom in on that part. The only white I see seems to be a light reflection within the glob.

I doubt CGC would grade these, either, but the reason you’re being referred to CGC is CSG only grades sports related stuff.

BTW, that card would be unlikely to get a perfect grade. The centering subgrade was the one that changed when they went from green to black, so a 9/10/10/10 “9.5 green” might have had a shot at a “10 gold,” depending on why the centering was scored a 9.

I think Matt’s responses have been fair. It does get frustrating to see mislabeled cards owned by someone else (such as my ongoing concern with the major grading companies grading 2001 unauthorized Hawaii Winter Baseball Ichiro Suzuki cards as 1993), but the reality is they can’t force all mislabeled cards to be returned. I suppose they could invalidate the database, but that wouldn’t change what the physical label says.

It’s possible that you actually didn’t have any 10s in that order. 16 is a really small sample size. If you aggregate the 16 into the previous seven orders, you would have 92 “10” and 83 “9.5” graded cards. That is close to the 50:50 ratio you seem to be expecting. I realize your grievance is with the order of 16 cards, but if you sent all 175 cards in one order, would you have preferred four or five of the 10s to become 9.5s?

Any update on this?

Look up ”Junk Wax Gems” and “Puck Junk” on your favorite search engine.

Given that the Patrick Roy card was a part of the 1986-87 display box (OPC cards were the same size as the real card), and also the broad prevalence of 9-card blank back panels with Patrick Roy in the middle of the panel on eBay, I don’t grasp why CSG wouldn’t mark all Patrick Roy blank backs from that year as “hand cut” or “panel cut” (as appropriate) or refuse to grade them altogether. There is a reason why there are ZERO blank back examples for sale on eBay: PSA won’t grade, since they are likely panel/box cut. BGS graded them, because BGS has openly graded cards cut by non-manufacturer machines that meet minimum standards. KSA grades them, because KSA has graded lots of cards that PSA would deem “Evidence of Trimming” cards. Finding out that CSG also graded them was shocking. I thought CSG was tough on their grading standards, so it’s surprising that they would grade cards that were cut after market. Here is a link to the eBay listing, in case you wanted to contact the seller/submitter to ask them to return the cards for inspection: https://www.ebay.com/itm/334595278590 The CSG page for the card is: https://www.csgcards.com/certlookup/1030611030/ Here are links to eBay listings of the different formats (8-card vs 9-card) of Patrick Roy blank back panels: https://www.ebay.com/itm/385071757101 https://www.ebay.com/itm/124584313108 A quick search will reveal that all the cards submitted by that individual to CSG are available on 9-card blank back panels from user “collectcanada” on eBay.

I don’t believe any grading company does that. Either you can request authentic only (though, I don’t know if CSG does that or not), or you can request it to be graded. If you opt for graded, and the item is deemed authentic but altered, most companies will note the alteration on the label. Some might even opt to not slab the card at all.

Welcome to the hobby! If you’re collecting cards to try to make a profit, stop. You won’t do it the way you’re going. Shotgun/gambling on cards (like most endeavors) is a failure proposition. If you collect who you like, and someday are able to break even when you sell, congratulations to you! If you’re looking to invest, learn to grade and recognize when a card is under/over graded.

Curious: How does driving down the gem rate hurt CSG? I would think that’s a good thing, since I started out using CSG with the understanding that they would be tough graders… then they inflated the scale with the green black transition. Are you saying that the green-black transition has somehow lowered the rate of gems (due to some low end green 9.5s deserving black 9.5s vs black 10s)? Edit: For my personal submissions, I’ve found the rate of black 10s to be higher than my rate of green 9.5s, but I also seem to be getting more unexpected 7.5s.

Still waiting on a response…

Did they say counterfeit on account of the wrong cardstock?

Are those scans? The stamp should look like pyrite.