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After stepping away for lunch, I am over this, too, and apologize for rehashing it.
People will think what they want to think.
People will pay what they want to pay.
Some people will attempt to wring every last penny of profit out of an item, especially when the system allows it.
On the actual book's story:
After the first two issues focused rather heavily on the bull-otaurs, I am surprised to see them relegated to the background -- if mentioned at all -- in the last 2 issues. -- Or did Sacajawea & friend kill them all; or at least those surrounding the camp?
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The final shill bid pushed it up $5, but the shill actually pushed it from $250 to $300, thus the 'true' price should have been $250:b. If there is no bidding activity for CBT to call out, point back to a sale in the first days of February where a shill increased an auction by $5 -- a total increase of 1.4% over the last real bid -- and say this sale artificially increased prices.0***d ( 5 ) US $355.00 Jan-27-14 14:57:10 PST
0***j ( 251) US $350.00 Jan-27-14 11:39:09 PST
0***j ( 251 ) US $305.00 Jan-27-14 11:39:09 PST
0***d ( 5 ) US $300.00 Jan-27-14 14:57:05 PST
0***d ( 5 ) US $255.00 Jan-27-14 14:57:05 PST
0***j ( 251) US $250.00 Jan-27-14 00:44:39 PST
First - somewhat off topic, but did that 0***d bidder jump from 0 to 5 feedback, or was he/she always at 5?
Second, yes, the shill (or what we are calling the shill) did increase the price of the item starting around $255. However, after 0***j was finally outbid, he/she did go back and put in another bid and was willing to pay $350 for that item.
Maybe it's two sides of the same coin: the shill jacked up the price of the item, but also identified what a (single) person was willing to pay.
Whether putting in a bid of $350 for that item at that time was a good idea is up for debate. What is not debatable is that it happened.
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It's been a long time since I blocked someone on here, probably jimmy was the last one, but you make a good case. I haven't read any of your last 5-6 posts aimed at me, including this one.
You have consistently attempted to argue against points no one has made, while setting up strawmen and pointless ad hominem junk.
You bought a bunch of the book, you dont think any auctions were shilled. Understood, you keep your opinions which supports your investment, i'll keep posting the truth as I see it.
and you're blocked. cheers
I don't understand this response -- I am arguing against points you have made, right here in this forum, over and over again.
Most times, I include your post I am arguing against.
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sometimes some sales may look like shills but they're not. A couple of weeks ago I was bidding up a book one bid at a time without putting in a maximum bid. I was bidding it up against someone who had put up a high max bid. Anyways, to shorten the story, he must of thought I was a shill and at the conclusion of the auction, he cancelled his bid. I got a second offer and thinking he was the shill I refused the second chance offer. It subsequently sold for more than either he or I were willing to pay. HAHAHAHAH!!!!!
or it was exactly what you thought and you were right, but now the market has been moved and his mission accomplished...
I knew you'd show up eventually once people started talking about auctions again -- and not even MD auctions. Yet my previous questions go unanswered.
You seem to have painted yourself into a very accommodating corner with your "trending" analysis.
Say an auction ends at a high price; pick one of the following:
a. If there is bidding activity that does not meet with CBT's standards, the auction is shilled and should be discounted as fake.
b. If there is no bidding activity for CBT to call out, point back to a sale in the first days of February where a shill increased an auction by $5 -- a total increase of 1.4% over the last real bid -- and say this sale artificially increased prices.
How long is the "Best By" date on this auction and his influence on current prices? Three months? Six? A year? As long as you want?
After choosing a or b (or sometimes both, oddly enough), call oneself a hero, and then receive anonymous congratulations via PM.
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From my short stint on the boards, I feel that Copper/Moderns sell when they are either cheap, the must-have-comic-of-the-week, or both.
The G/S/B section does have items selling for higher than similar copies on eBay. In no way is this the norm, but it does happen more than I would expect. As to the reason(s) for it ...
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I don't know if anyone pointed this out but LBCC #1 $335
Obviously a shilled Best Offer.
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While you're there, checking for Batman Adventures, Annual #1 is also a Harley issue.
Completed sales are all over, but probably worth your time.
I have 3 of these and can't sell one of them. One I posted on here in about a 7.5(small water spots? barely noticeable BC) for like $5 and nothing. Tried selling another strict 9.6 copy on here for about $15.....again, nothing. I guess ebay is the way to go but as you said, prices are all over the place on this book when it does sell.
I'm in the same boat as you. Had a full Batman Adventures run (minus 12), including both Annuals, a Special Edition, and couldn't sell it here.
Sometimes the boards are good; other times eBay is the place to be.
I'm not yet sure where to draw the line, but Copper/Modern feels about right.
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While you're there, checking for Batman Adventures, Annual #1 is also a Harley issue.
Completed sales are all over, but probably worth your time.
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To those selling raw runs right now -- or just #1's -- for good prices, what do you think is driving the demand?
I only stop in my LCS for 30 mins or so on Wednesdays, so I'm not a good source for word of mouth. Or to hear what all the kids are talking about.
Unlike other series where there are internet articles or new media rumors, MD is just a "normal" book selling quickly off the shelf.
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Well, I was the underbidder, and I don't sell anything.
If I get a second chance offer, I'm buying it.
I have no interest but to add a second copy.
dont do it! its great you werent pushed into paying more than you wanted. Many more will be for sale, patience will save you money. Wouldn't surprise me at all if a second offer comes at you, because the winner isnt real....
For Chrissakes. Did someone hijack your account? You used to make sense once in a while, now it's all off the tracks.
My friend, I understand you speculated on this book, and spent a couple dozen dollars on it. I am sorry that my comments upset your greed frenzy, but there is no need to take it personal.
continue the cheerleading with those who also bought many, and dont worry about my posts
Sigh, once again words and not facts. Speaking of trends, I think I have yours pegged: talking out of your butt.
No cheerleading here; just posting examples of completed sales -- which is something you do quite regularly. Difference is, I just post them whereas you post and then extrapolate and assume to your heart's content until they fit in with some pre-conceived idea you have, then call yourself a hero. Rinse and repeat.
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Well, I was the underbidder, and I don't sell anything.
If I get a second chance offer, I'm buying it.
I have no interest but to add a second copy.
dont do it! its great you werent pushed into paying more than you wanted. Many more will be for sale, patience will save you money. Wouldn't surprise me at all if a second offer comes at you, because the winner isnt real....
For Chrissakes. Did someone hijack your account? You used to make sense once in a while, now it's all off the tracks.
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Sigh all you want. The auction increased $5 over another person's legit bid because of alleged shilling.
It did not start a price movement; it's a buyer wanting an item and probably over-paying for it.
This auction ended Feb 2nd. An auction ended 2 weeks later for $232 ( Feb 17th) and a BIN set at $350 did not sell either ( Feb 18th ). If this auction started a revolution, why was the second auction $100 less?
2 more copies have come up since then and both had high BINs ($450 and $448) and didn't sell. Seems to me that buyers are actually smarter on this item than others in that they are not paying over that $350 auction price. (Though you will probably attribute that to your patented Shill Warning System.)
And with yet another auction ending under the price of the "landmark" Feb 2nd auction, I'm still waiting to see this price movement.
I'm also waiting for a response on how this theory came about -- one backed by examples and facts, not just a lot of words and paranoia.
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Very nice.
I almost missed out on the Ottley as I get to my LCS on Wednesday after work. I asked the manager about it just in case and he was able to get me a copy the next week from another store in the chain.
Not sure it's subbing material, but I like it. Definitely two distinct feels from each of the covers for #1.
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CBT, just curious, do you read or collect comics?
cujobyte, just curious, what do you think the odds are that the crew shilling up the price on MD are on the BlowoutCards forum??
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Sunfire & The Big Hero 6 #1 $25-$30 range. It's the real 1st appearance of the team, 2 months before Alpha Flight Vol 2 #17. Disney animated movie coming in November
All I can find in stores are the Alpha Flight copies, and a couple of the Big Hero 6 mini. Hoping those catch up.
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Sigh all you want. The auction increased $5 over another person's legit bid because of alleged shilling.
It did not start a price movement; it's a buyer wanting an item and probably over-paying for it.
This auction ended Feb 2nd. An auction ended 2 weeks later for $232 ( Feb 17th) and a BIN set at $350 did not sell either ( Feb 18th ). If this auction started a revolution, why was the second auction $100 less?
2 more copies have come up since then and both had high BINs ($450 and $448) and didn't sell. Seems to me that buyers are actually smarter on this item than others in that they are not paying over that $350 auction price. (Though you will probably attribute that to your patented Shill Warning System.)
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Your point?
I think the price hike is fueled by speculation. CBT has been talking about possible shilling. Different subjects.
My point was that my response was to your speculation comment, not to CBT's shilling conspiracy FACT.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&rt=nc&item=171227910896
That's a shilled auction whether you like it or not
It may be a shilled auction. It definitely has some tell-tale markings. But that is over a month old. That is also not the auction we were talking about and that you called out a couple days ago. Finally, the "shill" increased the final price to $355 -- that is only $5 over what appears to be a legit bidder. All of this over $5?
I'm pretty sure one can find a shilled auction for nearly every item available on eBay. It's not a transparent system and will therefore attract people that take advantage of the situation.
I'm saying not everything that sells above your pre-conceived notion of a "good" price is fake. I don't know the correct % between fake and real -- and I don't think we ever will.
As to full disclosure: I made my first and only (so far) DCBS pre-order purchase for 25 copies of this book. I made that purchase because it wasn't a large investment and the story sounded good -- I like historic fiction and covers the expansion of America. I sold enough copies at $5 each to make up for my initial investment and then a couple bucks on top of that. Hardly a cash cow. I now have a few copies left of #1 and 2 runs of 1-4.
Yes, I would like to see the prices go up so I can make more money off of the few copies I have. Who wouldn't? Do prices for LBCC 9.8 variants impact me? No.
As to the story: I wanted it to be good; perhaps I built it up too much. Perhaps it's way too early to say anything. I would have liked more of a slow-burn reveal into the strange creatures, but I'm not the writer.
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And I have no idea why I keep writing all of this, or caring at all. No amount of back-and-forth here is going to change opinions or prices or how good or bad the actual comic is.
I'm just tired of seeing the same raining on parades over and over again without anything to back it up.
Now that the auction under fire and the "fake" bidder has come forward as a member and a non-fake bidder, that talk has died down considerably. Come in, trump up some charges, have them proved false, and ignore them.
Anyway, back to the comic: those are some nice-looking horses.
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Your point?
I think the price hike is fueled by speculation. CBT has been talking about possible shilling. Different subjects.
My point was that my response was to your speculation comment, not to CBT's shilling conspiracy. I agree -- different subjects.
The prices seen in the secondary market are due to supply and demand. People want it and there are not a lot for sale -- either in a store or on the internet. Speculation may play a part in that, but when all is said and done, if no one wants a product, the price does not go up. Reasons for wanting a product -- any product -- are varied and numerous. To say it is all speculation is ignorant.
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Yes there is speculation on this book. There is speculation on nearly every new independent book. No debate there.
But, as relating to the person who bought all of a shop's copies of a 4th printing, if no one wants a 4th printing, then he can't sell them no matter how high he shills auctions for them.
Similar to the original printings: if they were all bought by speculators or hoarders, and the story sucked, or no one cared, those buyers would be stuck with unsold stock. However, that does not appear to be the case.
no one has claimed any of the things you are posing counter arguments too...
all the fuss was over whether a person is allowed to question if an auction might be tainted, some people feel that should be stopped at all costs, others favor free speech.
What reasons they have for their positions....only they can say.
I do find it amusing all the hoarding talk yet no admittance that the inflated prices may be due to speculation
Went to my LCS and was told that 1 guy bought all 4 copies of their #1 4th print...I'm far from convinced the recent heat is solely due to this being such a good read.I think people know the print runs are small so they are loading up. Again, just my opinion.
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Yes there is speculation on this book. There is speculation on nearly every new independent book. No debate there.
But, as relating to the person who bought all of a shop's copies of a 4th printing, if no one wants a 4th printing, then he can't sell them no matter how high he shills auctions for them.
Similar to the original printings: if they were all bought by speculators or hoarders, and the story sucked, or no one cared, those buyers would be stuck with unsold stock. However, that does not appear to be the case.
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Wow, the Batman Annual at $41 and counting. Crazy.
and this one doesn't sell
actually there's quite a few with a bin under $30....I guess people are caught up in bidding fever.
It's an advance shilled auction, obviously.
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Saw 2-3 #1 4th prints at my LCS today around lunch when they open. No other copies of MD to speak of.
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On Greek fire:
Why the need to shoot the globe to expose it to air? Couldn't you just throw it on the ground, or, if you need more coverage, throw it at the top of a tree?