manetteska

It's the actual cover that makes it look like that.

You can tell b/c there is no crease on the back cover scan, plus, you can check out other copies:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hellblazer-1988-1-FN-VF-7-0-/131170496013?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1e8a5eee0d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hellblazer-1-2-3-4-5-Lot-of-5-1st-Print-John-Constantine-DC-Vertigo-1988-/251510629843?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a8f33a5d3

If my LCS lets me down, anyone will to sell me 2 copies for cover?

 

You know, b/c of the link and all?

 

I got you if I get mine and you need some

Thanks, man. :thumbsup:

I dropped a line to my LCS -- on how to order it and that I would like a couple for my pull list -- but you never know if either of those will happen.

He's a good manager, but good to have a backup plan.

Is this just two people with mystery boxes using the same type of grammar, or one person copying another to skirt the raffle rules, or something more?

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7625163#Post7625163

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7609909#Post7609909

If my LCS lets me down, anyone will to sell me 2 copies for cover?

You know, b/c of the link and all?

Here is an auction for the regular cover. $157 with 2 days and 17 hrs to go

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Manifest-Destiny-1-CGC-9-8-/281314791334?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item417fab0fa6

 

Same seller with an auction for the Ottley $96 with the same time left.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Manifest-Destiny-1-Ottley-Variant-Cgc-9-8-/281314806402?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item417fab4a82

 

I think it will be interesting to see where they end.

 

Those look a little shilly, but it will be interesting to see what happens!

You have reason to believe both of auctions are suspicious.

Follow this link to see a post from the seller of both of the above books (follow the link he quoted):

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=163911&Number=7625470#Post7625470

This seller has admitted to shilling his own auctions in the past:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7177906&fpart=1

Not to mention he has been in Probation discussions before, is in one right now on another Manifest Destiny sale, etc.

I see what you're saying on the completed listings, but the majority are BINs.

Those numbers are in the hands of the sellers, not buyers.

More interesting to see if there is a disparity in what the buyers will pay, but there are not enough auctions to really figure things out.

Has anybody else noticed that the regular cover #1 is bringing as much money, if not more, than the Ottley in CGC 9.8 ? I don't understand this at all. I've been able to obtain. A lot more of the regular covers than the Ottleys. What do you think is driving this ?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171306587720?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

East of West? :shrug:

Personally I think the majority think it's going to be a horrible movie however those who are invested in it will do everything in their power to pump this movie so they can dump it on the sheep.

Always bringing the positivity.

Nice books, Ryan! Hulk 102 is one of my favorites; not to mention the original Silver Surfer trilogy.

(And a great slideshow. May have to teach a few others how to do that.)

I'm eventually going to have to bite the bullet and submit a large order if these crazy prices stay where they are.

I have yet to get a PLOD or GLOD, so .

Sorry about yours

Well, Superman #73 also has just an arm. So if you want something unique, MoS #18.

Boom.

 

Are those price tags on the 221s? What were they going for?

 

No...they're not price tags. I got into the habit of placing 2 (or more) stickers on the top front of each bag. I've been doing this for over 10 years now.

 

On the 1st sticker I state the issue number and year of publication. Why? Many of the old Gold Key and Whitman comics did not state an issue number on the front cover. You had to look inside to get the issue number. And I like stating the year of publication on the front also. It helps me to sort out Modern books from Economy books when submitting books to CGC.

 

On the 2nd sticker I state the grade and asking price. I'll add more stickers for things like 1st appearances, whether a Marvel value stamp is intact or not or special notes to myself like a cover loose from one staple, centerfold loose, cutout or missing pages, etc.

 

When I first started doing this, I was dumb enough to leave the comic in the bag when I wrote on the stickers. This caused an indentation on the front cover of the book that a few people griped about. I had to learn the hard way. No mas....no mas.

 

And on average, I think I paid about 10 cents each for these books about 6-7 years ago. They came out of a shop in Chicago.

So why no stickers on the 239s?

That's a good system - and one that probably takes a lot of time. If only more sellers were as helpful.

I don't sell at conventions, but I write the grade and comments in pencil on the back of the board.

I'm sure someone here has a diamond account and could possibly ofer a preorder service. Selling them at cover would make them a decent fee. Just a suggestion. My lcs is kinda dinky and the only one in my city. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets shorted.

No need for Diamond. How about below cover?

http://www.dcbservice.com/category.aspx?id=3&pid=439183

I have a good reason for asking. I have a few NM+ copies of X-Men #221 and X-Men #239 (Mister Sinister on cover).

 

 

 

 

I remember when you talked about picking up that collection, and all the 9.8's that came out of it.

Are those price tags on the 221s? What were they going for?

I do hope to be selling before too much longer though.

 

You just broke CBT's heart, good going there, he didn't need to know this.

 

 

Im going to politely bow out of the and what not.

 

, it's all good. Dont mind the argument between me and some others. It's got nothing to do with you, and I dont think there is anything wrong with selling, speculating, etc.

 

It's good to sell enough to cover your investment, comic books, or otherwise. I did that with my Saga collection, and definitely think its always good to be "in" for free whenever possible.

So, after you sold enough Sagas to cover your investment, how many copies did you buy?

I don't think anyone is arguing. Everyone knows the Ottley cover is small percentage of the regular cover. What no-one knows is exactly what that percentage is, and there are many theories.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

Yeah, no arguing about how/when the Ottley was presented for sale, just that you cannot put an exact ratio on it -- like the seller in that auction did.

What I'm wondering is if this cover was truly meant to be a second option for the 1st issue -- not a ratio variant -- they should have made a good # of them, right And maybe the cover/art just wasn't ready in time for solicitations?

But then where are all of these copies at? For those that have been to some of the early cons this year, I'm guessing they're not at the Image booth and/or the artist's booth.

I thought the Ottley cover was a second cover added very late in the game (i.e. after initial orders for the regular cover were already put in), so there really is no way to put a ratio on it.

I don't know if any minimum order requirements were put on it (you have to buy 10 to get 1) or if it was really just an alternate cover shops could order if they were really on top of their orders.

 

So help me out here. Is this book hot and climbing because Mr. Sinister is going to be in an upcoming X-Men movie?

 

I would say speculation

 

Confirmation of Apocalypse means Sinister is highly likely.

 

I have a good reason for asking. I have a few NM+ copies of X-Men #221 and X-Men #239 (Mister Sinister on cover).

 

 

What, no newsstand editions?

A question of similar nature:

Let's say you buy a comic from a dealer/LCS and it has a $5 sticker on it. At some point later you sell this comic -- either on eBay or via the board.

Do you send the comic on its merry way as-is; remove the sticker at any cost; completely re-bag the comic?

Does the amount you sell said comic for -- i.e $3 vs. $50 -- change the answer to the first question?

as an expert on 70's carpets. those are two very different carpets.

 

 

You've been old ladiesin different houses haven't you, oh the joys of youth.

There are not very many girls anymore with '70's carpets

 

The best part about having sex with old ladies is the smell of cinnamon.

Hard candies.

If a 1:10 variant of WD #1 was published and available the same day as the regular #1 -- and was a true 1:10 -- how do you think the price would compare to the "regular" cover?

 

a. A lot higher

b. A little higher

c. The same

d. A little less

e. A lot less

 

-- Consider that for comparison's sake both copies are in the same condition, both are either graded or raw, both have the same "probability" of being 9.8's, etc. etc.

 

Depends how good the cover is. If it was Saga RRP quality it'd be worth stupid money. If it sucked it could even be worth less than the awesome regular Tony Moore cover. Too many hypotheticals.

It's all hypothetical. And though I may not have covered it explicitly in my last comment, assume the cover is "just as good" as the normal one. Essentially, the only difference is the rarity (ratio).

We've spun in to the "carpet probabilities" vortex now...

How many other places can this thread go as we bide our time for a response (or responses) that may never come?

I apologize if this has been asked before; just posing a hypothetical between issues:

If a 1:10 variant of WD #1 was published and available the same day as the regular #1 -- and was a true 1:10 -- how do you think the price would compare to the "regular" cover?

a. A lot higher

b. A little higher

c. The same

d. A little less

e. A lot less

-- Consider that for comparison's sake both copies are in the same condition, both are either graded or raw, both have the same "probability" of being 9.8's, etc. etc.

There are art forgers who make millions off of fakes that get by the art experts. There are decades-long debates between experts as to whether a painting is fake or not. They introduce various levels of microscopy, go back through provenance paperwork, conduct interviews, etc. And still they are at odds.

 

And yet the art world continues to function, selling high value pieces that may or may not be real. They experts do their best and what you - the buyer - are left with are their opinions.

 

If a 100% effective method of detecting restoration and/or forgery does not exist, you cannot blame a company when they are not 100% correct. This is not a pro- or anti- CGC statement; it is a general statement for any company and/or person that "detects" restoration.

 

there's a big difference between original art and mass produced comics though.

No doubt; one can spin off on many different tangents here, but in terms of "detecting restoration", the analogy is rather accurate.

There are art forgers who make millions off of fakes that get by the art experts. There are decades-long debates between experts as to whether a painting is fake or not. They introduce various levels of microscopy, go back through provenance paperwork, conduct interviews, etc. And still they are at odds.

And yet the art world continues to function, selling high value pieces that may or may not be real. They experts do their best and what you - the buyer - are left with are their opinions.

If a 100% effective method of detecting restoration and/or forgery does not exist, you cannot blame a company when they are not 100% correct. This is not a pro- or anti- CGC statement; it is a general statement for any company and/or person that "detects" restoration.