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The 'over the top expositioning' by Robin is just the editorial team trying to give the team a 'grand unveiling' because they missed that opportunity in #54. It's just dripping with editorial spin and them saving face. But it's still all based on #54 when they first met. They were teens, they were titans. They just weren't the Teen Titans.

BB #54 was not intended to be the 1st TT but in hindsight it ended up being the 1st TT after they appeared in a 2nd issue in #60. That's the opposite of what the duck is arguing. He's saying Haney intended for BB 54 to be the first appearance of the team, but couldn't be bothered to actually form the team or come up with a name. But that generic editorial blurb fixes everything! I could be wrong but that's not what I got from SFCD's argument. What I got was similar to what I'm seeing in that they put the team (or team up if you must) together in #54, realized they had a hit after that issue and then gave them an actual 'Showcase' appearance (in BB of course ) as the Teen Titans in #60 which automatically retconned #54 as their 1st appearance since 3 of the 4 originally appeared in there first. I realize this doesn't follow traditional formulas of 'we are introducing this team for the 1st time here' but comics didn't have a set formula - they simply printed whatever would sell and most universes grew organically based on what would sell, not with a grand master plan that started in a board room. This is the only logical way for me to see it.

BB #54 was not intended to be the 1st TT but in hindsight it ended up being the 1st TT after they appeared in a 2nd issue in #60.

That's a common defect on many early to mid 1960's Marvels. It bothers some people. I personally don't think twice about it as I just look at as a part of Marvel's history.

How often did a DC 'team up' become a 'team'? That seems to be the defining line. 3 people team up as a one off and it's just a 'team up'. If the team up is repeated then the team up becomes redefined as a team (even retroactively - which is common in comics as nobody thought they had a sure thing on their hands, ever). I have no problem agreeing that if the 3 characters did not initially team up again in #60 then #54 would just be considered a simple team up issue. But the characters did continue and that fact alone redefines what #54 was. During issue #54 it was simply a team up. Once the editorial team decided to perpetuate the team up #54 became the origin (and by definition) the 1st appearance of the team, even if they weren't named. Again, just how I logically see it.

Also found this with a quick Google search (although it's a #1 and not a #2) http://catalogue.swanngalleries.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2377+++++338+&refno=++698919&saletype= Thanks Roy, I was able to find #1 but not issue #2 anywhere. There are also a few resident underground experts as well. Comicwhiz is one of them (I can't remember the others). You might want to try sending them a PM or try the search function. Good luck. EggsAckley Exactly!

The Amazing Fantasy #15 had Marvel chipping on it which seems to keep prices lower. Meanwhile the Hulk #1 looked like a 7.0 copy in a 6.5 holder. They weren't really comparable copies. This copy is more comparable to the AF #15 that just sold. http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAuctions%2Fdefault.asp%3FFocused%3D1%23Item_1077721&id=1077721

Also found this with a quick Google search (although it's a #1 and not a #2) http://catalogue.swanngalleries.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2377+++++338+&refno=++698919&saletype= Thanks Roy, I was able to find #1 but not issue #2 anywhere. There are also a few resident underground experts as well. Comicwhiz is one of them (I can't remember the others). You might want to try sending them a PM or try the search function. Good luck.

You sure do care a lot about the topic. I was thinking the same thing about you and Duck Me? I stated what I believe and why and then dropped out.

Also found this with a quick Google search (although it's a #1 and not a #2) http://catalogue.swanngalleries.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2377+++++338+&refno=++698919&saletype=

Eh, no. Eh, no.

You sure do care a lot about the topic.

It's just a software glitch that sometimes happens with CGC. The invoices disappear for a while but they generally come back within a short period of time. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I combed the thread but didn't see anything obvious. Who was the 10 year board veteran that backed out of a deal? http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8849915#Post8849915 Man.... That is pathetic. It's always the wife's fault. Another valid reason illustrating why women need to be driven from the hobby.

I scouted some tush and found it. I just happened to marry it. Does that make me a Teen Titan?

Yes, that is the chain of command. MM asks Jaydogrules.

And GAtor will have to ask Mitch Mhedy.

I think it's safe to say that the Suspense #3 was the nicest copy of that book that anyone has seen regardless of which holder it was in. The CGC 8.0 copies didn't hold a candle to it.

This. I looked once. No chance i would go into one of your threads Dr. Chaos after that assault on both my senses and computer. And as comix4fun said, you can build a thread in the test area or a PM beforehand if need be to work out kinks, bandwidth issues, epilepsy concerns... I'm with this. People can do whatever they want in their threads but if I see a thread that seems to have every bell and whistle going on all at once, I'm out of there as well...once my browser can recover.

I combed the thread but didn't see anything obvious. Who was the 10 year board veteran that backed out of a deal? http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8849915#Post8849915 Man.... That is pathetic. Next time someone puts up a sales thread that I am interested in I'm going into the recycling box to check and see if any coupons apply first before pulling the trigger.

I combed the thread but didn't see anything obvious. Who was the 10 year board veteran that backed out of a deal? http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8849915#Post8849915 Man....

I combed the thread but didn't see anything obvious. Who was the 10 year board veteran that backed out of a deal?

On my way to doing just that!

Right, they were a 'team up'. I get it. I'm just a little more liberal in my understanding of the big picture. Different strokes. And I don't have any BB #54 or #60 to sell, so I don't have an agenda about it. I only own one BB #60 and it's about a VF so I'm certainly not trying to sway the crowd.

Yes...thanks for reeling me back in. I'm just growing weary of some of this ...I'll be back on track tomorrow. It drives me crazy too but stooping to a lower level only makes things worse. I agree with Hector. Each thread is like a store front and people should act in someone else's thread the way they would act in someone else's store front. Now if you want to discuss it in another thread like this one, you are free to complain and release tension till the cows come home.