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"reasons properly"?

The difference, based on my understanding of the stories, is that while Darkseid only appears as a cameo in JO, he's still part of the story as the figure behind the scenes, whereas the Wolvie cameo was more a tease for what was coming up in the next issue, and not integral to the main story of 180. But then MOS doesn't fit that pattern. Of course, the print run for both cameos make a difference. Everything is a factor, and how all of the various factors work with each other makes most situations of a first appearance unique (with the exception of when a character first appears in the full story, leaving no debate).

To be fair, Liefeld only draws mouths one of three or so ways, so the Howard pic may not be intended to echo Cannonball.

Many people, including myself, didn't realize how much evidence stacked up in X-Men Annual #14's favor as being the actual full first appearance of Gambit until recently. Seeing the release date schedule, copyright info, and actual scans of the Gambit panels in XMA #14 show to me that a large majority in the hobby has had it wrong all these years, and are too stubborn to admit their mistake now. Correcting mistakes cost money Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Anyone have a 9.8 Annual 14 for sale? I have two copies that should be coming back from CGC soon. Don't know what they graded at yet; I pegged them at 9.6, but I could get lucky. As for the appearance thing, the issue of first appearances popped up in the Modern section in the thread about Gwenpool, who has not appeared in an actual story yet, but only on a variant cover. While I've generally been in the camp that an appearance in a story (not a preview, ad, etc.) is key, I do think that the variant cover will be the key book if the character actually goes anywhere. So I had to reexamine my position on first appearances to figure out why. Bottom line I think that an appearance in creative content (stories, covers*, pinup I suppose) is more important that marketing or editorial content (previews, even if they're excerpts of stories; ads; Marvel Age articles; etc.). Why that's relevant in this case is that the stories are written in such a way that it seems clear to me that the intention of the creative team was to introduce Gambit through the story that is published in UXM 266, but the publishing schedule necessitated that the annual be released first, so an explanation was provided as to who the character is. 266 still seems more key to me (although I'm perfectly happy if many people choose to value the Annual more, as I have more copies of that). *covers of books that are story-telling vehicles, not marketing vehicles like Marvel Age

What has been banned?

This issue will easily cause a big argument. Ultimately I don't think many people are swayed by other people's arguments in these cases, but rather just buy what they want, and when there's a clear indication of what most people want, many fence-sitters jump on the bandwagon and a clear winner emerges. I've been firmly in the appearance in a story camp, but my gut tells me that this variant will be the book to have. The question then is why I think it will be viewed as more of a key. The print run is one factor (as I expect speculation on the Howard issue to drive up the numbers). But I think the more important factor is that the cover is creative content, rather than marketing (e.g. previews or ads) or editorial (e.g. sketches is news mags) content. Sure, previews usually include story content insofar as there are a few pages of the advertised book included, but the point of inclusion is to drive sales of the book with that story, rather than to tell the story itself. This would also help explain why, even though I acknowledge that Uncanny X-Men Annual 14 was published before Uncanny X-Men 266, I still think the latter book is the bigger key. It's clear in my mind that creatively Gambit was meant to be introduced as he was in 266, but the scheduling of the issues necessitated shoehorning an explanation of who he was in the annual. For the record, I own one copy of the Deadpool book (and obviously any of us can own any number of the Howard book that we want). And I own several copies of the X-Men Annual (including 2 at CGC now), and only one copy of X-Men 266. So it's probably in my best financial interest to stick to "first published story," but I think what's posted above is a better reflection of what I, and many collectors, find important. I wonder if Gambit were on the cover of the annual but did not appear in the story if we would have considered that his first appearance? I think we would have. Covers tend to make all the difference-see the first appearance of Spider-Gwen or Archangel. Neither Spider-Verse 2 or X-Factor 24 are really their first appearances but the majority of collectors believe that they are. Based on how most collectors define an "appearance," I think Spider-Verse 2 would be the first appearance. (I assume you're referring to the costume tease in the Hawkeye/Deadpool comic, which my understanding is generally considered to not be the actual character, but rather someone cosplaying or going to a costume party?) As for Archangel, I do believe he shows up in shadow in the background of some earlier issues, so you would be correct there. Gwen and the female thor are walking the streets in the middle of what appears to be a costume party. As far as I know No storyline has confirmed that they are or are not the characters but either way it's the first spider- gwen costume. Spider-Gwen takes place in an alternate timeline. There's your confirmation.

This issue will easily cause a big argument. Ultimately I don't think many people are swayed by other people's arguments in these cases, but rather just buy what they want, and when there's a clear indication of what most people want, many fence-sitters jump on the bandwagon and a clear winner emerges. I've been firmly in the appearance in a story camp, but my gut tells me that this variant will be the book to have. The question then is why I think it will be viewed as more of a key. The print run is one factor (as I expect speculation on the Howard issue to drive up the numbers). But I think the more important factor is that the cover is creative content, rather than marketing (e.g. previews or ads) or editorial (e.g. sketches is news mags) content. Sure, previews usually include story content insofar as there are a few pages of the advertised book included, but the point of inclusion is to drive sales of the book with that story, rather than to tell the story itself. This would also help explain why, even though I acknowledge that Uncanny X-Men Annual 14 was published before Uncanny X-Men 266, I still think the latter book is the bigger key. It's clear in my mind that creatively Gambit was meant to be introduced as he was in 266, but the scheduling of the issues necessitated shoehorning an explanation of who he was in the annual. For the record, I own one copy of the Deadpool book (and obviously any of us can own any number of the Howard book that we want). And I own several copies of the X-Men Annual (including 2 at CGC now), and only one copy of X-Men 266. So it's probably in my best financial interest to stick to "first published story," but I think what's posted above is a better reflection of what I, and many collectors, find important. I wonder if Gambit were on the cover of the annual but did not appear in the story if we would have considered that his first appearance? I think we would have. Covers tend to make all the difference-see the first appearance of Spider-Gwen or Archangel. Neither Spider-Verse 2 or X-Factor 24 are really their first appearances but the majority of collectors believe that they are. Based on how most collectors define an "appearance," I think Spider-Verse 2 would be the first appearance. (I assume you're referring to the costume tease in the Hawkeye/Deadpool comic, which my understanding is generally considered to not be the actual character, but rather someone cosplaying or going to a costume party?) As for Archangel, I do believe he shows up in shadow in the background of some earlier issues, so you would be correct there.

This issue will easily cause a big argument. Ultimately I don't think many people are swayed by other people's arguments in these cases, but rather just buy what they want, and when there's a clear indication of what most people want, many fence-sitters jump on the bandwagon and a clear winner emerges. I've been firmly in the appearance in a story camp, but my gut tells me that this variant will be the book to have. The question then is why I think it will be viewed as more of a key. The print run is one factor (as I expect speculation on the Howard issue to drive up the numbers). But I think the more important factor is that the cover is creative content, rather than marketing (e.g. previews or ads) or editorial (e.g. sketches is news mags) content. Sure, previews usually include story content insofar as there are a few pages of the advertised book included, but the point of inclusion is to drive sales of the book with that story, rather than to tell the story itself. This would also help explain why, even though I acknowledge that Uncanny X-Men Annual 14 was published before Uncanny X-Men 266, I still think the latter book is the bigger key. It's clear in my mind that creatively Gambit was meant to be introduced as he was in 266, but the scheduling of the issues necessitated shoehorning an explanation of who he was in the annual. For the record, I own one copy of the Deadpool book (and obviously any of us can own any number of the Howard book that we want). And I own several copies of the X-Men Annual (including 2 at CGC now), and only one copy of X-Men 266. So it's probably in my best financial interest to stick to "first published story," but I think what's posted above is a better reflection of what I, and many collectors, find important.

Either way, I've got to think that this will be the book to have. Especially because now people will hoard the Howard book.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Marvel introduced a character called Cybrid, that looked like Cable, but with darker hair? Then we could argue about who that's a sketch of.

I think that's the only Gwen cover I actually picked up.

This is nice result: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shadowman-2012-1-CGC-9-8-Secret-Gold-Variant-cover-NM-RARE-1-of-5-Valiant-/201413519011?hash=item2ee52e66a3&nma=true&si=l1Zna68y3woLDssR%252FcPjzl2VBic%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Agreed. I'm a fan of the mega man game and capcom fan boy. The last thing I would want is a comic . I didn't even know they made comics of mega man. I think there was a new comic released last week Not to be confused with DC's new Omega Men relaunch. That's not what I was referring to.

Agreed. I'm a fan of the mega man game and capcom fan boy. The last thing I would want is a comic . I didn't even know they made comics of mega man. I think there was a new comic released last week

A bunch of them are going for a premium: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=marvel+age+82+cable&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=10001&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=100&LH_Complete=1

And… you've just given it more thought than Liefeld ever did. Don't you know the only thing an outfit has to do is look cool?

I believe that's correct. This is the page in question:

I think they're being secretive about some of the content. Could be that they're just looking to generate sales by speculators

That's just silly.

I hope so! When I bought mine last week, I'd never seen one in hand and I thought it might have had some slight cover soiling so I graded it VF-. But maybe that's just the way the cover is? Still think/hope I got a good deal on it. Can anyone else help me get a better idea of the one I posted in PGM? The background is definitely not a solid color. I thought the same at first. My copy:

I dunno. He makes Banner look far too ripped before the conversion. And something about Hulk's torso bothers me

Which book has the 1st appearance of the Infinity Gauntlet with the gems - SS #50? I think it's Thanos Quest #2

I should say as well that I ordered twice from them. At NYCC last year, I had reserved the two Enormous #4 variants. One they had at the show, and I paid and took that one. The second they hadn't received yet, so I paid for that and they shipped it after the con. It arrived undamaged, but is wasn't well-protected (in a manila envelope, with thin cardboard on one side of the book only), so it could have easily been damaged in transit (fortunately it didn't have to go far). The second shipment was the Renew Your Vows variant, which was packaged in a cardboard mailer, s I would expect books to be shipped. So, not a scam, but I think they need better quality control (and better customer service, from the sounds of it), if they're going to be offering up variants at a premium price.

What are you seeing that's shilly? I realize the OP has a limited post count, but I think it kinda makes sense in some cases when someone is asking about a service to see that, especially if they've been lurking and now have an inquiry about something that has affected them personally.