GeeksAreMyPeeps

Just got another 9.6 back today.

I realize that sometimes Deadpool's facial deformities include a lack of cartilage in his nose, btu there should still be some evidence of bone structure, no?

That's probably just a matter of the magenta running a little strong and/or the cyan running a little weak during a portion of the print run. Variations (not variants) during production happen all the time.

guess which shop variant is going to be the hot one I always buy the one I like best.... I'm not buying your "Not only does it confuse people, it saturates the market" logic... Example: Black Mask keeps churning out WCNGH show variants Nobody's confused. The market's not saturated. You guys are lapping it up. If the same books were printed for a shop.... You'd be confused & market saturated. Anyway... The market will correct itself. Cream rises to the top. In each case the best looking / most limited books are the ones that will win. Your example says it all. BLACK MASK is churning out variants. Most of us would much rather support the creative team than someone looking for nothing more than a pay day. The market is the market. The only possible reason you state the market will correct itself is probably due to a loss of interest on your variants in hopes to bring some sales back. You know your variants, the ones that will be similarly compared to the 90's drek we so ill speak of. And no Larry, I have not been burned on retailer variants. Not in the least. I just feel the over priced cash grab on retailer variants out of the gate is seriously hurting the stability of the industry. It's one thing if the market sets itself, but for the retailer to do it knowing it will hurt the collectors in the long haul or have them walk away is another. Most of us would much rather support the creative team than someone looking for nothing more than a pay day . Where do you think the books come from? We buy them from the creative team. In volume. So by your logic, unless you purchase a comic directly from the creator you're not supporting them?! Hilarious. You missed the point. Not surprising. You are a middle man with his hand out as he sets the market value. You are not an employee of a publisher or a creator of the books whom I'd rather support. The shops IMO that keep it classy that offer a retailer variant for fun, to create buzz for the title, make a small profit is one thing. Not the likes of you who create small print runs (unverified how many you actually print) just to gouge collectors. Just my opinion but I feel doing this is horrible for the industry and screams greed. You can peddle your know it all nonsense and books all you want. All I see it as is pathetic. The real winners sell themselves. Every shop is a "middle man." And shops are in business to sell books. Generally they're not there to advertise books, unless the end goal is to sell more of those books. A good shop of course will promote books to their customers that they think their customers will like, because they want their customer to be happy, which keeps them coming back to buy more books. Making a buck doesn't *necessarily* make one a bad guy. A shop that distributes books from Diamond is not part of the discussion. Everyone is well aware they are open for the business of making sales. This is about certain retailer variants. What defines a bad guy? Trolling? Gouging collectors by setting the market value? This? http://graphicpolicy.com/2012/10/18/larry-doherty-and-larrys-comics-at-it-again-this-time-hate-speech-towards-transgenders/ Maybe this? http://southern4life.blogspot.com/2011/08/ignorant-fool-alert-larry-doherty-of.html Yeah, everyone will run to buy up Phantoms when the "market corrects itself". I was commenting very generally about the shop variant thing. For some small publishers, having a shop support a book by getting a store variant may be the thing that helps keep the company afloat.

guess which shop variant is going to be the hot one I always buy the one I like best.... I'm not buying your "Not only does it confuse people, it saturates the market" logic... Example: Black Mask keeps churning out WCNGH show variants Nobody's confused. The market's not saturated. You guys are lapping it up. If the same books were printed for a shop.... You'd be confused & market saturated. Anyway... The market will correct itself. Cream rises to the top. In each case the best looking / most limited books are the ones that will win. Your example says it all. BLACK MASK is churning out variants. Most of us would much rather support the creative team than someone looking for nothing more than a pay day. The market is the market. The only possible reason you state the market will correct itself is probably due to a loss of interest on your variants in hopes to bring some sales back. You know your variants, the ones that will be similarly compared to the 90's drek we so ill speak of. And no Larry, I have not been burned on retailer variants. Not in the least. I just feel the over priced cash grab on retailer variants out of the gate is seriously hurting the stability of the industry. It's one thing if the market sets itself, but for the retailer to do it knowing it will hurt the collectors in the long haul or have them walk away is another. Most of us would much rather support the creative team than someone looking for nothing more than a pay day . Where do you think the books come from? We buy them from the creative team. In volume. So by your logic, unless you purchase a comic directly from the creator you're not supporting them?! Hilarious. You missed the point. Not surprising. You are a middle man with his hand out as he sets the market value. You are not an employee of a publisher or a creator of the books whom I'd rather support. The shops IMO that keep it classy that offer a retailer variant for fun, to create buzz for the title, make a small profit is one thing. Not the likes of you who create small print runs (unverified how many you actually print) just to gouge collectors. Just my opinion but I feel doing this is horrible for the industry and screams greed. You can peddle your know it all nonsense and books all you want. All I see it as is pathetic. The real winners sell themselves. Every shop is a "middle man." And shops are in business to sell books. Generally they're not there to advertise books, unless the end goal is to sell more of those books. A good shop of course will promote books to their customers that they think their customers will like, because they want their customer to be happy, which keeps them coming back to buy more books. Making a buck doesn't *necessarily* make one a bad guy.

At this point, I think everyone that's visiting this thread acknowledges what was printed first. But in my mind, it's: Annual 14. Hey look... There's Gambit, a character who's not particularly integral to the story being published. Xmen 266. Hey look.. It's Gambit again, in a story that was pretty clearly written to be an introduction to the character if the publishing schedule of one annual per week during the summer didn't necessitate publishing the annual before the intro that serves as a better introduction. Again, I have one copy of 266, which isn't leaving my collection any time soon. I have several copies of the annual, two of which are coming back from CGC soon. It's in my financial best interest for people to value the annual more, but IMO 266 is still the more desirable of the two, despite the fact that the annual was published first, and I would imagine has the lower print run. ... And significantly lower 9.8s on the census There are now two more.

The Blindbox variant sold out early Thursday. I was literally at the table while someone asked for the last one behind the enormous stacks of Enormous books.

Got my grade from CGC. My NYCC is a 9.6 I did get mostly 9.8s on regular issues though.

They didn't arrive until noon Friday due to shipping from printer & were available the rest of the show at both my & Tim's booth. I apologize it wasn't earlier but was out of my control. Thought it looked nice. If he's referring to the comic with the newspaper cover (not the newspaper itself), then that's not correct. I picked up the NYCC newspaper cover on Thursday (along with a ton of other variants) . Good meeting you on Sunday, Larry, and thanks for the deal!

I nabbed a Shadowman Volume 2 #1 Special Edition for $8 at NYCC this weekend.

No one is arguing that an ad cannot create demand and value. But it's NOT the Crow's first appearance. That is Caliber Presents #1. So, Hulk 180 ISN'T the first appearance of Wolverine? Is that last panel an advertisement of sorts for the next issue? I will always believe 180 is his first appearance, and that will never change, but I'm with you on the gobbledygook's of the world. Not 1st appearances, but ads. Not sure if that's a serious question or not, but you've provided the perfect example of a straw man. No one has claimed that that last page is an ad of any sort. It's part of the story that serves as a teaser for the next issue.

Of course,after all it IS Gambit's 1st app. Yes, but I don't know if it's indicative of the acceptance of that, or just that dealers are looking to make a buck off of those that see it that way. $25 seemed to be a common asking price, although I didn't examine conditions. I did see one UXM 266 with a $200 asking price.

I think Valiant's rise and fall may also be part of the reason why so many of us are still drawn to it. When Unity hit Valiant truly had hit on something the industry was missing. Then critical mistakes were made such as firing Shooter and then selling out to Acclaim. I think many of us look back and wonder what could have been. Everyone loves a tragic story. Luckily for us several fans bought the properties and have rebuilt the company. Those are only mistakes from our perspective. The people in charge were business people and they did what they did so they could try to make a boatload of money. And they did.

I don't know if this has been the case at many other conventions, but Annual 14 is a common wall book at NYCC this year.

Then you just conceded the argument, because previews are ads for the comic. They're marketing content.

Wait, previews can be first appearances? If the story is original, yes. If not, no. The nature of a "preview" almost universally means that it's material intended to be printed elsewhere. I'm pretty sure that the Damage Control preview in Marvel Age Annual #4 is not excerpts from the book, but it's been a while since I read it. I do remember that the Wolverine preview is sort of a recap of what had been happening with the character in X-Men, so it's not exactly a story, although the art is original. A good example of a legit first appearance in a preview is Lazarus.

Nope. As far as I know, there have only been two copies of the Dr. Mirage #1 VVSS certificate. From what I can tell, the actual book that accompanies the Dr. Mirage #1 VVSS certificate is meaningless. Interesting. I thought that more would have surfaced by now. Another cool item I found at a LCS was a DF Q&W #0 or something like that which was the only copy I had seen at the time. There had to be a bunch of them out there. I think that was American Entertainment. The estimated numbers of those are about the same as a common book in the first series, but since it was distributed differently it may be more difficult to find

There is so much cool Valiant stories and characters and marketing goodies that can be posted in here over time. Even the Doctor Silk bookmark you only received by purchasing a hobby magazine as an insert. That's whata mean. I needs an edumacation in the Valiant arts. Like this pre-post- unity stuff I've heard about. I really just don't know anything about the company. There is an entire thread devoted to non-comic Valiant ephemera on Valiantman's website (started, I believe, by the current CEO of Valiant, before he owned the rights to the characters). http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1518

There is so much cool Valiant stories and characters and marketing goodies that can be posted in here over time. Even the Doctor Silk bookmark you only received by purchasing a hobby magazine as an insert. That's whata mean. I needs an edumacation in the Valiant arts. Like this pre-post- unity stuff I've heard about. I really just don't know anything about the company. There is an entire thread devoted to non-comic Valiant ephemera on Valiantman's website (started, I believe, by the current CEO of Valiant, before he owned the rights to the characters).

......another "death"..? I'm pretty sure before the day is over, some speculation site will announce it but you heard it from me first, major event happens. I was thinking they finally celebrate their 20th birthdays. Young Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles has a nice ring to it

At this point, I think everyone that's visiting this thread acknowledges what was printed first. But in my mind, it's: Annual 14. Hey look... There's Gambit, a character who's not particularly integral to the story being published. Xmen 266. Hey look.. It's Gambit again, in a story that was pretty clearly written to be an introduction to the character if the publishing schedule of one annual per week during the summer didn't necessitate publishing the annual before the intro that serves as a better introduction. Again, I have one copy of 266, which isn't leaving my collection any time soon. I have several copies of the annual, two of which are coming back from CGC soon. It's in my financial best interest for people to value the annual more, but IMO 266 is still the more desirable of the two, despite the fact that the annual was published first, and I would imagine has the lower print run. Only in the world of comics does that logic make sense. The "first full appearance", being thought of as an actual 1st appearance, even though it is not factually true. The Hulk 180/181 debate, and now this. Whether he's integral or not. Or a plant sitting in the corner of several panels, is irrelevant. CGC, collectors with investments, and just stubborn people will never let the obvious take hold.. Gambit's first appearance is Annual 14. Period. All else is just jibba- jabbah. And Hulk 180 is the first appearance of Wolverine. Yes, but that doesn't necessarily make either book the more desirable book.

At this point, I think everyone that's visiting this thread acknowledges what was printed first. But in my mind, it's: Annual 14. Hey look... There's Gambit, a character who's not particularly integral to the story being published. Xmen 266. Hey look.. It's Gambit again, in a story that was pretty clearly written to be an introduction to the character if the publishing schedule of one annual per week during the summer didn't necessitate publishing the annual before the intro that serves as a better introduction. Again, I have one copy of 266, which isn't leaving my collection any time soon. I have several copies of the annual, two of which are coming back from CGC soon. It's in my financial best interest for people to value the annual more, but IMO 266 is still the more desirable of the two, despite the fact that the annual was published first, and I would imagine has the lower print run. ... And significantly lower 9.8s on the census Fair enough. The squarebound format is probably more difficult in grade, but if people were hunting both equally I think you'd have a lot more annuals submitted for grading.

At this point, I think everyone that's visiting this thread acknowledges what was printed first. But in my mind, it's: Annual 14. Hey look... There's Gambit, a character who's not particularly integral to the story being published. Xmen 266. Hey look.. It's Gambit again, in a story that was pretty clearly written to be an introduction to the character if the publishing schedule of one annual per week during the summer didn't necessitate publishing the annual before the intro that serves as a better introduction. Again, I have one copy of 266, which isn't leaving my collection any time soon. I have several copies of the annual, two of which are coming back from CGC soon. It's in my financial best interest for people to value the annual more, but IMO 266 is still the more desirable of the two, despite the fact that the annual was published first, and I would imagine has the lower print run.

Im actually happy that this book gets recognition (even if not for all the right reasons), I always thought it was a brilliant concept from the get I enjoyed it too. Really unfortunate that McDuffie isn't here to see it make it to the screen.

So, who has stacks of Damage Control?