I am not Glenda

So happy with the final results, UV glass has been ordered! PS even put music to it

Kirby/Sinnott: (Nuff said) Ditko: His unique vision of the Web-Head built a foundation that will outlast us all. To be honest, his later stuff almost kept him off the mountain, Speedball or Rom anyone?: Big John Buscema: ( The body of consistent high-quality output still amazes me & is really only second to Kirby imo) Adams: ( Neil not Art ) Even his sub-par work was better than most of his peers best work. ..................................................................... When I was a 16yrs old hands down my response would have been........ Byrne: & comics were one and the same to my generation Miller: His art & writing changed my perception of what the medium could be. “You don't get it boy... this isn't a mudhole... its an operating table." Perez: Wow just wow on almost anything he touched in his prime. McFarlane: Still remember seeing those wonderful webs for the first time. Yea I know I cheated

I think as an overall guide this is on, IMO Cap & Batman 1 right now might do better than 13-15K with nice PQ & the right auction/seller. Action 1 & Tec 27 really seem to the hardest to nail down as they seem to be in a different league, the Action may be the 1st to break the 100k at some point in the near future. Gator schooled me a few months ago when the AC1 on eBay hit in the mid-80s and having done some research he was dead on. I swore it was going to break 100k lol.

Using this scale ( which I think is a little lite on a few but overall very solid all the way around as the lower grade books seem very hard to nail down) what do you think the FMV on the same books CGC complete, coverless NG blue label would be??? Coverless has now become a real option for many trying to obtain these 10 ( who would have thought huh)

No doubt my reading comprehension surely need to be improved, however, anyone writing a paragraph about the physics of how a comic cover should work is surely the true drama queen among us.

Dead on with this post! Speaking of peaks.............. what years do you think Kirby was at his all-time best? 1964 up to the New Gods, maybe? Or the would you think his Golden age Stuff?

1958 wow! some stunning work!

Absolutely not true many artist musicians poets have a peak in their career where they are hitting on all cylinders and in my opinion JB had a pretty long run of high quality output from the late 1960s well in the early 1980s as his Conan stuff still stands the test of time. Does anyone here think Kirby, Ditko, Adam,s Cockrum didn't have a peak???

You should look into the CONAN stuff not just he comics but the mags as its some really great stuff. I am curious what artist are on the top of our list???

Really? WOW! we are now talking about the speed at which Surfer is moving to say a cover sucks?, I am sorry you may hate JB art but I would have to say if you don't think SS #4 is a masterpiece & hands down one of the great covers of the silver age ( regardless of how damn fast the Silver Surfer is moving in your mind) then IMHO art doesn't suck the internet sucks because it allows this crapola to be posted. This post reminded me of the scene in Titanic when Rose shows a Picasso to her husband some people will just never get it. The cover to SS # 4 is amazing............. period.

So really it's just your personal opinion based on the era you grew up reading comic & really that explains a lot. I started reading comics in 1979/80 so my main area of interest is in the 1980s. However, it was a time when most collectors were able to acquire all but the most expensive silver & bronze age back issues on even a minimum wage high school job. So I think many of the collectors of my era have a much different view & appreciation of the Legends of the silver age. I would also admit by the mid/late 1990s I had lost interest in most of the new books of your era with the exception of a few quality standout artist & writers ( I think we would all agree there was a lot of, polybagged trading card, glow in the dark, holographic, embossed 3D substandard art in the 1990s, plus I am still not a fan of the high-quality shiny paper). So 40 yrs later I am still saying WOW to Kirby, Ditko, Steranko, Kane, Kubert JRS, Adams, Smith & yes Big John and I think he could sit at that table any day & you would be surprised at where people put him, just my 2 cents. Anyone remember Eclipso #1 with the jewel on the cover or Spiderman # 400 ahhhhhhh just shoot me now I bought 5 copies

Couldn't that be said for almost every comic artist? If Jack Kirby had worked in NY drawing newspaper ads and Stan Lee wrote the text............ it would be Stan & Jack who? wouldn't it?

Beatles Stones, Zeppelin, RC, Coke or Pepsi, Morales, Parker, Spider Gwen, Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman....really Way too new here to understand all the negativity towards a man that many COMIC COLLECTORS consider one of the true legends of the Marvel Silver, Bronze & Copper age? Maybe some of the elite OA collectors can explain it to me as I am just not getting it? Are we talking about huge drops in the price of his art? Are we looking at a few vocal haters? is it a joke? PS. I can not speak for OA I can confirm that after selling comics in the store for 14 yrs we had several collectors who put Big John as there #1 artist and I can recall many a conversation about JB being the best artist to ever work on Conan. On a personal note: when I read Good, competent craftsman, for better, or for worse I don't think of JB more Don Heck and several others but not JB in my mind there are many examples of his art just being much more than just competent but that just my personal opinion.

I assume all your points are 100% valid, I am just applying my background with toys and comics here and again ( would use the golden & silver age comics are dead reference of the 1990s, many of us lived it) but I am sorry I just reread many of the posts in this thread and they were not presented the way you presented them above which only validates my initial point. I am sorry when I read a post that in essence says JB art is awful and maybe people are starting to see that based on one HA auction? I just have laugh, but hey to each his own. So yes, of course, exceptions apply or another way of saying that is the KEYS will always sell for more than the more common or less appealing pages. For example, using the case of Big John I would point out there seems to be a lot of his stuff out there so the end result of any sale would depend on the content, inker, era ect. but really Is that anything new as the same applies to comics, toys, and most collectibles doesn't it?

Are you kidding? Conan has seen massive amounts of publishing over the past two decades, just not at Marvel, check out the fantastic work done by other publishers like Dark Horse A guy named Kirby, Ditko and many others have not published any new art in decades??? Who among us was born when Detective 27 was published? My 8 yr old grandson loves Batman & Superman & Capt America ect Again the new Marvel Conan comic is among the best selling new titles. Not to long ago Guardians of the Galaxy were not even mentioned in the top tier of popular properties it seems crazy in today's world to assume any character is dead, well except Westerns

your 100% correct. But my post was based on the conclusions made in this post based on the recent HA auction, I assume like comics & toy collectors long-time collectors & dealers have a much broader understanding on the current pulse of the OA market. However, that was not included in many of the posts I read and seemed much more focused on just the results of the recent HA auction. For example one of the post make the point that BWS splash from issue # 5 did not do as well as was expected, ok fair enough but IMHO it is a very weak example of Smiths Conan and surely not reason enough to assume BWS while not as hot as say 5 yrs ago ( I just found this out from a long time collector here on the boards) is on his way to being a bust. To me that's just absurd, I mean does anyone here not think if a classic prime BWS Conan cover came up it would not do quite well? My general point being this there are trends in every hobby highs and lows but for 40 yrs I have suffered the doomsayers prediction about everything from Star Wars to Golden age comics and after a while it just gets old. Heres my prediction based on 40 yrs of being in the collectible arena 50 yrs from now there will be a market for quality CONAN art ( by the way it's one of the hottest current new Marvel comics) vintage Star Wars figures and Action comic PS there is no hope for 1950s Westerns lol.

Dave was never a top tier guy but imho this is a darn good example of his better phase 2 X men stuff, poor guy had to follow John Byrnes classic run.

Total Newbie to this market, I know nothing & have assumed its just best to buy what I like & enjoy it at this point in my life. However, I have collected comics for 40+ yrs, toys for 25 yrs and after teaching I started a successful small toy & comic shop in south NJ for the past 14yrs ( yes I still love the smell of old comics). and after reading this entire thread I see the more things change the more they stay the same no matter what the hobby............. Meaning this I am amazed & bewildered at the way some collectors look at just one sale or one auction & can determine this toy, this comic or this artist is now soft & on the way down or is now hot & on the way up. We all know there are trends in every hobby ( I still have all 30 copies of Dazzler 1) commenting on some high or low results is one thing But making a market prediction based on the latest Heritage, CL or CC auctions good or bad is just..........absured imo. For example, I just read for 3+ pages that Big John Buscema was on the way down or better yet that the 1970s comic art market could be trending downward ( you got all that from one auction?) really? So I just watched the Splash for FF #112 hammer out at 43K + seems pretty good to me & I know crapola about this hobby but I know 43K is a bunch of greenbacks in the real world. So because of that sale is Big John now hot again? That's just silly & this is just one example but after 40+ yrs of collecting comics, I would suggest that to base anything even representative of where any market is trending or in this case artist be it Jack Kirby to Jay Scott Cambell it requires more input or data then one, two or even 3 auctions. I still remember when a lot of comic collectors said Golden age was on its way out in the 1990s Same guys who now own 500 copies of Shreken #1.

Badass Splash, I think it's going to go high...... any predictions

Drawn in 1981 by a 20 yr old Matt Wagner & from his college sketchbook this is just a few months before Grendel was published in Comico Primer #2. Predates Darkwing Duck by a decade Just stoked to have it!

I think that's true for a lot of collectors

Current Market Value

A recent post got me thinking, at some point, many long-time collectors have had to sell one or many of there most prized books for personal reasons with the intent to buy them back at a later date. However, in today's market things have changed so what book(s) do you own that if you sold you could not afford to replace because of there CMV?

A recent post got me thinking, at some point, many long-time collectors have had to sell one or many of there most prized books for personal reasons with the intent to buy them back at a later date. However, in today's market things have changed so what book(s) do you own that if you sold you could not afford to replace because of there CMV?

Funny how perceptions change, now TRIMMED is the hobbies F-bomb? I remember not too long ago many of us would not consider having any coverless book in our collection for even the holiest of grails & today pages and pieces of those same books are slabbed and the highlight of many collections. For me, trimmed or married all depends on the book I am looking to add to my collection and my budget for that book. I held out for 2 yrs looking for a BATMAN #1 that was the RIGHT BOOK and during that time the book jumped in price exponentially. So I have reached a point where its more important to get the books I want then to worry about a Trimmed edge or an added centerfold as prices have long ago taken those options away on many of the grails I still want or ironically even the ones I already own ( I can't sell them as I won't be able to afford them back at a later day as was the case in the first 20 yrs of my collecting lol).