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    Traded: CGC 4.0 AF15 and CGC 9.6 TMNT 1

    in Comics General

    Posted · Edited by marvelcollector

    I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

     

    If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

     

    He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

    For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it. :foryou:

    His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

    (He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

     

    I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

     

    Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

     

    Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

     

    Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

     

    Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

     

    In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

    None in 2008.

    The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

     

    What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

    Now I have the whole thing.

     

    Next point...

     

    A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

     

    Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

     

    Go ahead.

     

    Try.

     

    Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

    Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

    Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

    Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

    Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

     

    Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

    That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

     

    Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

    Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

     

    TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

    At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

    At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

     

    ON THE OTHER HAND...

     

    What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

    What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

    5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

     

    The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

     

    The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

     

    I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

    there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

     

    I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

     

    Bargain.

     

    If not... I still have my other AF #15.

     

    I can't lose.

     

    :grin:

     

    This is a well-reasoned argument and well thought-out post. I can easily see why you made the trade you did, and kudos for that. But if SOT is annoyed with you for starting this thread and poll, and you're trying to fix that (to loosely quote you from up top) I'm sort of failing to see that in your post here. Maybe it is me.

     

    Very well reasoned and sound :golfclap:

     

    No doubt you did the right thing for your collection. You're happy and that's all that counts (thumbs u

     

    That said, I can't see the turtles ever coming even close in popularity to Spider-Man, movie or not. (Wasn't there already a movie, btw hm )

     

    Given the grade differential in this case, the two books will likely stay in the general neighborhood of each other.

    Kramerica's Kudos!

    in Kudos Forum

    Posted

    Just got a large haul from Mark's thread (not the Greatest one), and am very happy. One book in particular was undergraded IMO.

     

    I happened to check, and I've bought over 115 books from Mark over the years. Far and away more than anybody else on the boards, or anywhere else in all likelihood. I can't think of a single one of those books I was disappointed in.

     

    :applause:

    Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice movie thread for your reading pleasure

    in The Movie Forum

    Posted · Edited by marvelcollector

    Fanboys need to understand that movie studios don't make superhero films just for them.

    They're making them for general audiences (fanboys are in the minority)

    And they're not going to listen to fanboys about casting.

     

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    This is very true.

     

    It's very relevant when talking about changes to the source material, choices on inclusion/exclusion, etc.

     

    But when talking about something as basic as casting, first of all, they should listen to the people that know the characters best. Moreover, if you handed somebody from the "general population" a sample of the comics involving these characters, they would have the same reaction regarding the poor casting: "What the :censored: were they thinking?"