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Thanks for being first to reply Gary. It's worth a further discussion I think and your view is as valuable as anyone else's to me. My original thread title was 'Marvel Pence Priced Variants' with the d being quite important I thought to make the distinction between the price variants of the home currency that many were / still are keen on preserving. Let's see what some others think. There's bound to be a few more opinions once the usual suspects have woken up.

Just cross your fingers that if you do find it, he's not still in it.

Morning We haven't had much in the way of debate in this thread lately so I thought I'd put the cat among the pigeons and see what people think of a thought that has been circling in my mind for a while now. What would you all think if I proposed that I stopped calling the pence copies of the seven US publishers I've documented 'UK Price Variants' and started calling them 'UK Distribution Variants'? In doing so we would: Preserve the all important first printing aspect by retaining the key word 'variant' Preserve the unique Country identifier - the UK Remove any confusion with the 'price variants' of books priced in the same currency / for the same country (e.g. 30/35 Cent Variants) Enhance the salient point of why pence books exist in the first instance - for distribution in the UK Reflect the actual wording of the early UK indicias - both T&P and Miller use the wording '....distribution in the UK' Maintain the distinction between the first printing variants made in the US and any UK locally produced reprint publications Annoy CGC (I did push them over the edge towards UKPVs I suppose) Start a fight The same could apply to 'Australian Distribution Variants' and 'Canadian Distribution Variants'. 'Marvel UK Distribution Variants'..... Seriously, what do you guys think? Is the existing terminology too embedded now do you think for the community to support a change? Give me your thoughts.

Spider-Woman #1 finally surfaces to be our 1,300th confirmed Australian Price Variant (excluding magazines and TPBs): I don't believe issue 3 will exist being an AUS April 1994 book, so that title is likely complete now: My aforementioned review of the books that I think are likely to exist is almost complete and the projected maximum total is now under 1,400 books. I'll post some of the rationales later as I said but, if I'm right, there are less than 100 APVs to find now with the vast majority being among the more obscure titles. I'm popping over to Morlar's now to update the confirmed issue list - if anyone reading has any books that are not on the list, do chime in eh...

In the four years or so that I've been posting pence blathery here I've noticed how the Universe often likes to produce a new UKPV more or less immediately after I have tentatively posted that no more will likely be found. She's at it again, the Universe, and here is Four Color #1179, The Swamp Fox, to bring us up to 67 FCs and 216 Dell UKPVs: That's the first new pence copy for almost a year. I like the Universe, and the little games she plays

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Talking from experience, many people do I think, but they just don't show it by posting / liking. Lots of appreciative lurkers out there Reggie. As the ASM pool dries up, and noting the GS example above, why not move on to MTU etc? I called the thread 'Ross Andru's Amazing Spider-Man Club', not necessarily in respect of the title Amazing Spider-Man, but in appreciation of the fact that his drawing of Spidey - in any title - was generally amazing

Meanwhile, back at the westerns...

I know what you mean. The Thing does look like he's the partial wash - compare him to a random FF though (45) and I'm not sure

Morning Millers Yesterday was a good comic day at Marwood Towers. I decided on a whim to review the February 1978 DC UKPVs in line with the 'on sale dates' of Mikes Comic Newsstand and, in doing so, identified a further book which might exist as a UKPV. I then immediately found it on my first search. That made me laugh. Marwood too. So much for being the font of all UKPV knowledge - bloody useless really aren't I really Then the postman turned up with two parcels. Always good that, isn't it. Pat brought me another splendid Charlie to add to the pot and then the big one - the final Marvel L Miller UK Distribution Variant - Two-Gun Kid #58 - tadaaaah! Hooray for the TGK#58 Miller copy! I now have confirmation of every book that my research has determined should exist with a Miller filler - here's the updated, final chart (full details over at The Pence Palace of Doom): I own a copy of every single one now apart from Gunsmoke Western #64. He'll come, eventually: That brings us to the conclusion of this thread. Four years ago no one knew these even existed. Remarkable really. Then @EwanUK posted one picture in one of my threads with a big fat question mark and off I went. Couldn't resist it. With full acknowledgment to Ewan (I wish he was still here - I'm sure he'd get a kick out of seeing where we've ended up), I'm quite chuffed to have been the one to flush these out and bring them to wider attention via the CGC boards (a nice reference in the latest Overstreet too in JM's market report). So there you go then - the full set confirmed. Lovely

I know, none of the dates make sense do they. My money's on RV got hold of and overprinted some old magazine stock - which might explain all the missing issues - and sold them much later, probably around the same time as the Charlton comics they stamped between 64/65. The odd copy then fell into the T&P process, like the other odd comic examples we've seen, hence their later more finessed stamp competing on this copy. I'm only guessing though. Who knows what the went on

Naah. Just both tried to sell the same book I reckon The mag is a 1961 issue Have a read of this post from my Charlton thread Mr T and all will be revealed:

840 DC UKPVs! Live updates

...and here it is: Now you probably are thinking that I made that up aren't you, and knew all along that it was a UKPV....

Afternoon Every once in a while I revisit one of my old research files and see if there is anything else I can do with it, often in light of discovering new ways of checking things. I've been applying the concept of 'on sale dates' to a lot of my work over the last year or so and sometimes it can help support my conclusions as to what books may or may not exist as pence variants. There are 839 known DC UKPVs and the first month where they really get going - cover date February 1978 - only has 6 confirmed UKPVs. Lots of titles don't have them. Looking at the extract below, why should it be for example that Action Comics #480 has a UKPV confirmed but that Adventure Comics #455 doesn't? Both are cover dated February 1978 and both are eligible for a UKPV being 35c comics. If we apply the 'on sale dates' however, as per our old friend Mikes Comic Newsstand, a telling pattern emerges: The only six known UKPVs are all at the end of the list. So we can speculate that there was a date driven starting point for the UKPVs and clearly those last six books at least were after it. It begs the question whether Ghosts #61 should have a UKPV of course and I've started looking again for that book. It's a low distribution title so it may be that any extant copies have snuck under the radar, a bit like those recent Marvel 20p UKPVs that have started surfacing. Anyway, another little snippet in support of the current number range assessment. All good fun, eh

Rats Lou. He didn't like rats. Especially doity ones. And birds, evidently.

Wanna swap for my annoyingly 'un-Miller' one?

Official, yes, but as some of us discussed in my UK distribution thread there's no way of knowing when books like these (the pre-1959 outliers as I call them) were stamped and distributed, especially when the stamp is non-distributor specific. More likely that the book came over unofficially around the time of publication or that it found it's way over in an 'official' import batch several years after it's cover date. We can build up cases to support dates where books are systematically stamped, and by known distributors, but books like your Rawhide Kid #10 don't fit any pattern so they're a shot in the dark (an accurate one though, being the Kid). Damn cool book though.

No worries - it will be a cents cover price though (if you didn't already know) so always worth a double check

You haven't got a 64 with a Miller indicia have you Mike?

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

What The Bark Knight said Jim. Lots of friends here, you have

Afternoon Darkhold number six finally turned up: It brings us to 1,299 confirmed APVs now. I don't believe number seven onwards exist as the cut off fits the profile of many other titles as you can see here, ending before the general cover price increase: Over the last few months I've been working my way through each title and assessing whether any more APVs are likely to exist. There can be a lot of anecdotal evidence to support conclusions in that direction if you look carefully and the goal is to arrive at three figures: How many US priced comics physically exist in the APV date ranges for the titles for which one or more APVs have been found (1,711) How many of them have confirmed corresponding APVs (currently 1,299) How many additional APVs are likely out there waiting to be found That excludes the three Conan magazines by the way. It looks to me like the final APV comic total may be around 1,400 books. It's possible that additionally titles may surface of course, but with each passing day that possibility reduces now that these books are under the microscope like never before. The missing books that I believe may exist are mostly found among the more obscure titles - Barbie, Alf etc - which logic tells me were unlikely to be kept by collectors in the same way that perhaps more high profile super hero books were. And of course there will likely be the handful of gaps in more collected runs that perhaps mirror the unexplained gaps in the Amazing Spider-Man run. I'll update this thread with my final findings when the review process is complete and give a few examples as to why I think certain books will never show.