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You're in! I'm on UK time, but I think there's about five US of A hours to go.....

Nice to see you took a few of my comments on board, even if we still disagree on how to position 'the beginning' (I'm not saying that terms which did not exist should not be used later - I'm just saying you should explain how they came about: "In the beginning......all comic books were newsstand comics" "In the beginning......all comic books were distributed through the newsstand system. The actual term 'newsstand edition' didn't come into popular use until....."). Dracula font has gone! I was hoping to hear the Noveltones' Left Bank Two playing in the background on v1.1, but you can't have everything can you. Well done Greg!

Cor, I was only .5 off!

Better. Maybe that should be your next avenue of appreciation Reggie - retrospective background amendments

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My old Spidey spreadsheet was the same paq, but that's a private tracking mechanism created by an experienced collector and not intended to educate the masses. That takes me back I was up for continuing the discussion last night but it was late and I kept getting 504 errors. I generally like @valiantman's way of doing things and I replied to his thread as it looked like he hadn't had much in the way of feedback at that point. I do understand the arguments presented thus far, the position you and he are taking, and why you are taking it. My view is simply that it is always better to be accurate and to stick to facts when attempting to educate people. Here's a comic related comparison scenario. Matt Nelson loves 'foreigns' and, admirably, desires to educate the masses on the wonders of international comics which reprint original US content. One element of his labelling policy is to assign a 'first appearance' designation to any international book which reprints an applicable story outside of the USA, usually long after the original US book was printed. My position was that was misleading and I put it to him (privately and via a discussion thread here) that only the original US book should carry that distinction. So, by way of example, I wanted his slabbed Os Justiceiros #12 below to say "1st appearance of the Justice League of America in Brazil" and not "1st appearance of the Justice League of America". Those two extra words - in Brazil - make an enormous difference. He wouldn't do it. More here if you're interested. In a similar vein, I thought it would be more accurate for Valiantman to simply acknowledge that the term 'newsstand edition' did not exist until the introduction of direct market copies as that is the factual, historical position. The books weren't 'newsstand editions', they were comics delivered via the newsstand distribution network. Just that simple addition / amendment makes the history lesson more accurate. It wouldn't take much to add it it, so I was a bit taken aback when the argument blew up. I never understand why people argue against clarity and accuracy. To me, there is something off about calling a 1960s book a 'newsstand edition' in 2023 when the phrase would not have been uttered by a single collector on Earth at that time. I care about comics but only up to a point. If people want to state things which are - in my opinion - needlessly open to question, then go ahead. No single person is in charge of the hobby and its definitions. But other less informed people will act on the information that individuals decide - usually in good faith - to put out there. Someone will take advantage of the misleading information, someone else may suffer and the facts are slowly eroded over time. I wonder if CGC will label all comics newsstands, if they follow your lead when they get around to introducing their new policy? Anyway, @valiantman, we're all still friends I hope. I didn't mean to be antagonistic if that is how it came across - I just didn't want to leave you hanging with so few feedback comments after all that well intentioned work. I hope you understand my position a little better now. Good luck with the video.

Are you Matt Nelson in disguise?

I'm not talking about condiments or voters. Please stick to comics and comic terms.

You're making a video to raise the awareness levels of the uneducated. Think about how they will interpret what you are presenting.

I wonder if anyone is out there scratching their head after receiving their 4.5 book back in a 1.5 slab?

Ah, we seem to have just said the same thing. Something to consider then @valiantman, wouldn't you say?

You can make that point easily enough I think, without resorting to taking a descriptor that didn't exist until after the arrival of the direct market, all the way back to the 1930s. I would describe what happened, not what makes the presentation easier for you.

Is that boner fide?

King Mikedas - every post he touches gets moved to Gold

A few minor points from me too: Agree with Lazyboy - before variations were introduced, the books were just themselves 5.09 - "Marvel and DC continued newsstand editions throughout 2013 and 2017, respectively". Given that the salient point here is the end date it might be better to actually say that e.g. Marvel newsstands ended with cover date December 2013. Someone was asking after that very date in another thread recently so its a good point to add in for Marvel and DC, the ones most viewers will care about. You have that info on the page bulleted 2000s too by the way - it should be 2010s at this point I found some sections were moving too fast for me to read them. I wanted your points to settle in the mind but had to keep pausing it to do so (which ruined the Simon & Garfunkel soundtrack ) The red on black heading makes it look like something out of Dracula Nicely done though, Valiantman. I like the visuals. Pictures often tell the story better than words. Pictures supported by snappy, accurate, memorable phrases, even more so

We're never going to get beyond 123 are we....

I was going for the Indiana Jones teaser poster look. Except in a top hat

Maybe your post will inspire a few more people to throw their own hats into the ring......