PhilipB2k17

You are letting the tale wag the dog. The reason why those comics (like X-Men #1, and TMNT #1) are worth so much is precisely because they are key books, and are scarce (overall in the TMNT #1 case) or in high grades (in X-Men's case). The books are valuable in large part for the same reasons the art is valuable. That's why it's not unfair to look at the value of the book the art is from as a means of gauging its overall value. I did say that it was not entirely the same. There certainly is a lot of OA that is valuable that does not come from a comic that is also valuable. But, that is usually because of some other aspect of the art aside from its "keyness," such as the artist, and the aethsetic value of the piece, the character portrayed, etc. And, if we are going strictly on monetary lines, it is possible that all the KLH art, including the covers, may value out more if sold entirely than the #TMNT pages, but I'd still rather have the TMNT #1 pages. And, did that TMNT art include the cover? Because that makes a big difference. That may be worth all of the interior pages combined, or more.

Probably. It only takes 2-5 high rollers to completely change the entire OA market. If 2-5 high rollers start bidding up, say, Mark Bagley Spider-Man clone saga pages for some reason, then that stuff will rocket up in price, and probably start spilling over into all of Bagley's pages. Whether you and I think it makes any sense is irrelevant. I don't get the Herb Trimpe Hulk OA bump, for example. But, whatever. If people want to pay that kind of money for that stuff, so be it. I am not, so they are welcome to all of those pages.

Disagree with you there. The rarity and value of the comic is a big driver of the price of the art. It's not all of it, but it contributes to it tremendously. Also, whose comparing apples to oranges? You are comparing TMNT to Spider-Man, rather than the most important TMNT OA to probably 3rd or 4th tier Spider-Man OA pages. The Spider-Man art hierarchy is 1. Ditko pages 2. Romita Pages (from important runs) 3. McSpidey pages 4...Maybe you insert KLH pages in here. Or even second and third tier Romita pages. OA from AF #15 would be worth many, many, many, many, many multiples of any OA from KLH. And TMNT #1 is the AF #15 of TMNT art. Now, maybe McSpidey and KLH can be flip flopped. But, I'd still take the TMNT #1 art. Adding: I used 9.0 for the TMNT #1 because 9.8's are so rare. There are probably 3000 9.8 KLH runs out there. Probably equal to or exceeding the entire TMNT #1 original print run.

Yeah, it's all academic to me.

I'd take TNT #1 art in a heart beat. "Kraven's Last Hunt" only appeals strongly to a narrow group of nostalgia collectors who read the story at the time. When and if it ever gets turned into a film property, it may break out of that range. But the TMNT #1 art should trade at about the same rate as a 9.0+ copy of the book, per page. How much is a 9.8 Kraven's last hunt run?

Has anyone commented on the DKR page yet?

Yeah. I saw that after mine. But it rolled off the scroll. Can these be combined?

Too wide a net. And it would have to be $25 Million. Net worth includes illiquid assets like houses, real estate, cars, boats, stocks, bonds, business interests, etc. Your house/apartment could hit the $10 Million mark easily in places like SF, LA, NY, etc.

Holy Moly! https://comics.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=1067+4294948513+794+793+792&limitTo=4294948513&ic4=KeywordSearch-A-Y-071316 Killer DKR page; a Miller "Elektra Saga" wrap-around cover; A fantastic Miller DD page from issue #161; An Adams GL #76 page and a Batman page from his Denny O'Neill pairing. Early Kirby X-Men pages; Another Watchmen page; even a frigging Torchy golden age cover. Not to mention the Frazetta "Battlestar Galactica" prelim painting. There are some very cool things over there right now. UPDATE: There was already a thread on this, so here is the link to it:

Ummm...over at Heritage right now...WOWZA.

Yeah. I think the Doc Ock page isn't as good as the GG page. But, it's close. I think $75-$85 seems possible.

Well, the Van Gough museum (for Van Gough, of course) and the Ryjksmuseuem are both must sees. The latter for the Dutch masters, such as Rembrandt, Vermeer, Hals, etc Its not comic art, but it’s pretty amazing stuff.

Just for fun, I may change the title of this thread to Glen’s quote. ?

It is. It’s from the Miller/Rubenstein Cover to Wolverine mini #2. If I had to guess, maybe the Surfer & Wolverine Images were for poster art?

Imma budget collector. My most valuable piece was picked up 25 years ago for a pittance. So, most of this is way outside of my realm of experience. I’d like a killing joke page, just because I love Bolland. Not because I’m sentimental about the story or Batman. But, frankly, Id take a Bolland Dredd Page over a KJ Page . Which makes me a weird collector, because I’ve already stated my lack of interest in McSpidey too, to people’s shock

If he took your money, he either has to give you the piece you paid for or return the money to you. None of the conditions you stated said “first come, first serve, or unless I change my mind.”

“New” to the market. Been in a private collection since the 80’s. Pretty great page, too. https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=749110

Hey not a problem. I told Gene in another thread that I wasn’t a fan of the McFarlane cover to ASM #299 (that he owns). That’s pretty much heresy on these boards. But I’m not much of a Mcfarlane fan. And that cover doesn’t appeal to me.

Would love to pick up one of his nice Elric pages. Great stuff.

Well, in this case that’s the actual published page. The “original” must be gone. Otherwise they wouldn’t have used a Stat at the time.

I have a nice deathlok page that I picked up. From the 1990 mini series.

I didn't mean to imply that the seller was anything bit 100% honest about it being a Stat. I was just wondering what people thought about its value, considering that it's the second published appearance of Deathlok (after the Cover). Does the fact that it's apparently 100% a Stat matter to you? If so, how much does it effect its desirability?

I agree. I think we may enter into more of a barter style economy, which becomes much more feasible in an interconnected world.

Second ever appearance of Deathlok. Except....the image is 100% Stat. It's the key original published interior page, from a key bronze age book. But, it's a stat. How much do you think that matters? The page is certainly priced to sell (with a companion OA page from AT #35). But, what do you all think?

The original art for the AT #25 Splash must have been destroyed or damaged before publication. That's pretty sweet to own, even if it is a Stat.