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Does WB really want to hitch their wagon on Snyder ? Critics hate his films.

Man someone tell this guy to get a real job. Or a more productive hobby.

Look at the bottom of the book.

It's nice. Just don't understand why they don't CGC'ed it. Looks to me those in the market for a bargain minty copy have found their book. BTW I know Borock is grader over there and he used to be the toast of the town back in the day when he was primary grader here but his rep has taken quite a hit on these boards. I personally bought a 6.0 i was very happy with recently. Has the grading by and large really been that loose over there or are books getting under GPA mostly due to lack of name recognition? Been out of the loop so a brief update on the situation would be appreciated if anyone has the time. Depends on who you ask but I think they're a half grade looser in general then CGC.

So what kind of estimate is there on how many copies are out there almost 15 years later ? I imagine the census is likely not 100% accurate on this book with possible overlaps for signed copies but curious what people's guesses are right now. I wasn't a believer in modern books trading for high numbers but if The Walking Dead with almost 700 copies in 9.8 can hold steady at 2K there's no reason why this book can't also. I guess it is the Batman key of the last however many years with a markedly lower print run.

Anybody remember the last time a 9.4 came up for auction ? Heritage gonna be interesting.

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If you decide to sell it it's gonna go higher then a regular 4.0 so there's that. Not many 4.0s look that nice with such great colors.

Internet is undefeated.

CGC is just bad with this book for whatever reason. Label ain't always right especially on higher graded copies of this book.

That's only $10,500 more than I sold my 4.0 a few years back Crazy no ? For Showcase 4 ?

Haney in these same set of interviews has this response in regards to the beginnings of Sgt Rock and inaccuracies in the comic industry - but he's going to agree with statements Catron makes regarding the Brave and the Bold teamups and the Teen Titans because he suddenly decided accuracy doesn't matter anymore ? "CATRON: … at DC, too. Of course, you were part of that. But before you get to that, let me ask you about Sgt. Rock. Because the official line is that the first Rock story is — whatever it is, Our Army At War #81 [cover dated April, 1959]. “The Rock of Easy Company.” And Kanigher wrote something in #83, which is “The Rock and the Wall.” HANEY: I’ll tell you because I want this to be accurate. Because I believe in accuracy. There’s so much inaccurate mess in the comics business and false information and ego trips and all that. I have no ego about it. I’m just being accurate for the sheer sake of being accurate."

If there's one person who is an absolute authority on continuity, it's definitely Bob Haney. I guess we're going to leave out the very next thing said in the interview ? CATRON: And, of course, Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad. HANEY: Yeah, the first Teen Titans. CATRON: Right. Before they were called the Teen Titans. It was just a three-way team-up, apparently. HANEY: Right. I came up with the name.Teen Titans. Haney's unprompted recollection of BB54 as the "first Teen Titans" is a lot more significant to me than Catron's comment. Especially given Haney's recollection that BB54 resulted from his editor's directive to come with a JJLA issue (in line with what DC hinted they'd do 24 issues earlier) and it was only "later" that the group was instead dubbed with the name he came up with: Teen Titans. Catron had nothing to do with the creation of the group, so your bolding of Catron's comment to obscure Haney's unprompted recollection just tells me how desperate you are to muddy the waters. So you purposely leave out pertinent parts of the discussion between the 2 individuals, skewing information to again to try and be right, then at the same time decide to be the arbiter of what should be viewed as relevant and what shouldn't and I'm the desperate one ? I guess Haney agreeing with these statements is irrelevant because he can't think for himself. Continue using hyperbole including disparaging comments to people, it's really helping to prove your point.

Titan's Companion ? Ok let's see what it says right after Julie Schwartz's quote. "In reality it would be four years before Kid Flash, Aqualad and Robin would team up in the Brave and the Bold #54 (June-July 1964) and one more before they along with Wonder Girl, would be called the Teen Titans." How about this blurb right before your liberal usage of quoting Haney ? "It was Haney's involvement with the Brave and the Bold that led to his other high-profile assignment: the Teen Titans. Kid Flash, Aqualad, and Robin were the stars of the fourth B&B team-up written by Haney (#54), but whether it was intended as a stand-alone story or was always meant to be a precursor to its own series depends on upon the recollections of the author." Of course leading into this - "In any event, six issues later, exactly one year after Kid Flash, Aqualad and Robin teamed-up in the Brave and the Bold #54, the Teen Titans debuted in the Brave and the Bold #60, (July 1965). Joining the original three members was Wonder Girl, presumably to attract female readers to the series." "All told, the Titans would appear six times in the series, from their prototype appearance in 1964 to the team's last pre-Wolfman/Perez appearance in #149 (April, 1979)".

From Metamorpho’s first appearance in The Brave and the Bold #57, with art by Ramona Fradon and Charles Paris. ©1964 DC Comics Click to view larger image Ramona Fradon and Metamorpho CATRON: Ramona [Fradon] said that this is probably the best work she’s ever done. HANEY: It was. CATRON: The most fun she ever had. HANEY: She was brilliant. Yeah. CATRON: So why don’t you —? HANEY: She’s not just the greatest woman artist in comics, she’s one of the best there ever was in comics. I’m trying to remember — the actual genesis of it was, again, George and I were working together well. We’re friends. We’re co-workers. We’d done a few things. And I think it may have been, “How about coming up with another character, you guys?’’ CATRON: This was for Brave and Bold. HANEY: Right. CATRON: In fact, it broke the initial beginning of the team-ups. HANEY: Yes, it did. Yeah.

If there's one person who is an absolute authority on continuity, it's definitely Bob Haney. I guess we're going to leave out the very next thing said in the interview ? CATRON: And, of course, Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad. HANEY: Yeah, the first Teen Titans. CATRON: Right. Before they were called the Teen Titans. It was just a three-way team-up, apparently. HANEY: Right. I came up with the name.Teen Titans.

What I don't understand is that people in support of BB 60 are not arguing some new novel concept - If you read the books it becomes clear the differences between 54 and 60 and why 60 is the First Appearance, just like with the Defenders. Why do people not consider Sub-Mariner 34 the first appearance of the Defenders ? On the CGC label it states a "Prelude to the First Defenders story" even though this book features a "Team" (which of course is a Team Up) of characters who later become the Defenders. Overstreet lists Sub-Mariner 34/35 as preludes to the 1st Defenders story with Marvel Feature #1 being the Origin/First Appearance. I assume this is an error that needs to be changed by all the dealers in the hobby, CGC, and Overstreet to correct this erroneous mistake ? Anybody who believes BB 54 is the 1st Titans I assume believes everyone else associated in the hobby is wrong on these books ? Btw these "Prelude" Sub-Mariner books are listed in the Marvel Masterworks:The Defenders Volume 1 hardcover, but I guess that just doesn't make ANY sense because publishers would never include prequel story lines in Compilations correct ? The fact is people don't like change for various reasons and because something may have been listed in a certain manner they become accustomed to it and fight against it without in many cases going through the books and looking at what really makes sense. Not everything listed in these guides is gospel because there are a ton of inaccuracies which I'm sure everyone can agree upon.

But DC stated that they were a new team. Obviously new enough that the execs at DC hadn't even thought of the name Teen Titans yet. But they were more or less the same team, reintroduced a few issues later with a gimmicky name and maybe a new member. Still, the same team that was not only introduced but also noted on the last page that they were a new 'team'. It doesn't follow the formula of most team introductions but that doesn't mean it wasn't their first appearance. Again, no contest in my books. Have you read BB54? I think a good portion of the people who have been commenting on this thread haven't read either 54 or 60. Or the Teen Titans in general.

All discussions go through circular reasoning and stuff gets repeated. I just can't understand why it's so difficult to grasp/admit that they first appeared in #54. Circular arguments without actually using the knowledge which has been laid out is a waste of time.

is it that hard to go through the entire thread ? or even the first 10 pages ? or even go back a couple pages from the end ?

Don't let your wife watch Man of Steel ?

That from the TV Show V ? Looks terrible.

incredible book - look at the colors on that !

Love my Toth's.

Just let it die man - Rehashing the same stuff for people who didn't read the thread is a waste of time. Even Sgt. Rock would want this to end at this point.