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Can I have CGC ship my graded submission to a different address? I am going to submit some comics that I plan to sell via a dealer. Can I set up the return address going to an authorized delaer?
Thank you.
V/R, Mike
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I have a couple hundred comics to submit. Most are Moderns which will require pressing and grading. What's the best number of comics to submit in one submission? Is it faster to submit 25 at a time, or 100 in one submission? I couldn't find anything relating to shipment size.
Thank you!
V/R, Mike
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On 12/30/2023 at 8:17 AM, Dale Roberts said:
I'm not trying to hammer you, I'm just trying to help you. I want you to have a reasonable expectation on your books. I don't have any of those issues (the ones I mentioned) listed on the site because its not worth my time to list stuff for $3-5 when I have literally thousands of books which are more expensive to list. You can literally go to any decent convention in the country and find long boxes of the stuff in the price ranges we are talking about. Many of them will be NM or better. Guys like Earl Shaw carry this stuff routinely.
Thank you for you inputs, Dale. I do appreciate it. I will just sell off my collection more slowly and try to wring out a few more dollars here and there. Fortunately, I am not in a rush. Have a great 2024! I have a great deal of respect for anyone who runs a business.
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On 12/29/2023 at 3:39 PM, Chip Cataldo said:
You know who you're responding to there, bud?
Yes...I've purchased a number of comics from Dale over the years. He has plenty of raw ASMs on his website, and they are not listed for $3-5. I will stop responding now as it's of no value to get hammered by people who think I'm trying to sell VF dreck off as over priced and over graded . I will simply get the good stuff graded, and I will sell it for GPA...
Happy 2024 and good luck with your collecting!
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On 12/29/2023 at 2:19 PM, Dale Roberts said:
Actually, with the exception of key issues, the majority of issues you are talking about don't sell regularly for more than that. ASM #329 - 400 can be found almost anywhere for $3, and many places even cheaper. Amazing Spider-man #253-297 probably sell for an average of $3-5. Web of Spider-man complete run has less than 10 books that are in any kind of demand. If I was retailing most issues, to actually sell them, they would have to be $1 - $2. No one is paying much more because they are in mylites and half backs, though it might make them easier to sell.
No offense, but no one sells 200-300 range NM ASMs for $3-5. You may be able to find random NMs in a $1 box, the vast majority of those books would not be true NM. They would be VF- or worse with major dings and multiple binder creases. No seller on these threads sells them for $3-5. If they do, please show me a link. True enough, when a collector sells off large numbers of dreck, they will sell for pennies on the dollar. As I mentioned, I'm not in a hurry, so I don't need to unload them for pennies.
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On 12/1/2023 at 12:31 PM, AbsoluteCarnage said:
Yeah agreed. The same goes for me in regards to space
I'm working on a 200 or so to 328 cgc 9.8 run atm and if I get that done in the next few years I'll start backtracking downwards from 200 and probably figure out where I'm going to go into the 9.6s as some of them are kinda pricey in the 100-200 range. I might just focus on keys and get into the 100-200 later on too as at least Silver age looks to be holding up some semblance of balance price wise with the decline of the market overall.
Sounds good. I sort of worked myself into building a raw NM run through 700, to include most of the variants. I was getting raws for the common books, and getting CGC'd for the keys and lower numbers (especially below 100). I had an "amazing" collection by my standards. Not so by some of the BSDs on here.
It was easy to sell the CGC ASMs from 10 on up. Seems like the market has been cooling... Hard to resist the lower ASMs...
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On 12/1/2023 at 10:33 AM, AbsoluteCarnage said:
Here's a couple shining examples of 2 I sold in the early 400's not too long back
Yep... I know there are some out there trying to build CGC 9.8 W sets of later ASMs. Just too much space to store them all. And of course, the time and expense to get them submitted. That said, I have submitted some books specifically because it's so hard to sell them unless they are graded. If I tell someone a comic is 9.6 and ask for $30, someone might offer $10-15. If I pay $40 to get it graded and shipped to MyComics, someone might pay $65. So, I can make $25 versus $10-15. The math doesn't add when it's a lower dollar books, obviously...
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On 12/1/2023 at 10:28 AM, Robot Man said:
Just did a search for Alf 47 on the bay. There are 7 on right now. SEVEN. Two sold at around $10. Granted in fine condition not “nm”. This is not a “rare” book. With a little patience, I could find a better one for a fairly nominal price. And how many people have that high on their want list?
Much cheaper than buying boxes of books for thousands. Same thing with Avengers 11 and pretty much else you could mention.
Just reality…
Same page... Just meant that you can find them but it's a lot of work and time and money. When I was still buying, I loved finding a collector with top-notch books who could help me fill in tricky books, even if they are "common." It's WAY easier to find a hundred ASM 300s in 9.6/9.8 than one truly NM Barbie 36.
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On 12/1/2023 at 10:18 AM, Robot Man said:
Relax. I didn’t say you were “dishonest” or a “jerk” just maybe “optimistic”. You are obviously aware of what you have. And being so, you should know what average run books go for even in top shape. Sure, you might have some left that are a little tougher than others but let’s be real. Pretty much everything you have for sale could be had pretty easily with a quick internet search.
I just think your emotional attachment might be out weighing reality.
I have been collecting since the mid ‘60’s. Probably before you were born. Believe me, I have seen it all.
No hard feelings. I hope you get a price that you can live with and your collection goes to a good home.
Born in early '60s...
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On 12/1/2023 at 8:27 AM, sd2416 said:
I was just pointing out the price point for 400-700 and that guys 400-499 were the same, as was CA location. You can be a good buyer and seller and be out of wack on prices at times. We all have done it.
Not sure where you're getting your price point from. I never offered this grouping of comics. Even at true NM, $3K is way overpriced for raws in this range (400-499). Agreed re being out of wack from time to time on pricing.
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On 12/1/2023 at 7:52 AM, Robot Man said:
The guy in LA already sold anything any good and now he is just trying to find a sucker to take the drek off his hands and expects big money for the rest. Probably not going to happen.
More fun... Maybe I'm just an honest and life-long collector who's trying to get something reasonable for truly high-grade comics. I collected Spider-Man comics and comics with Spidey on the cover, generally no later than 1990 for the cover appearances. Some of those you may consider drek, but it's not easy to find Marvel Barbie 36 and Alf 47 (or Avengers #11!) in tight NM condition. Maybe try and not assume the worst in people like myself, who have been on these boards since before some of you were born. Maybe... Or just assume I'm a jerk and maybe miss out on some great books.
Regardless, have a great day and happy collecting!
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On 12/1/2023 at 7:49 AM, sd2416 said:
He in CA, and this lot is in CA. Coincidence? I cant seen paying that much for 400-700. Depending where you live, lcs's, craigslist will knock out a large chuck at $3-5 a book, not $30.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285057067091?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=285057067091&targetid=1528987493176&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9025851&poi=&campaignid=19851828444&mkgroupid=145880009014&rlsatarget=pla-1528987493176&abcId=9307249&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiApaarBhB7EiwAYiMwqurMfuRAd850RJKUQ4AFe6Ff5UJRkVLlyxF_xl7ofDrSNVt8-SJHAxoCDkoQAvD_BwEFunny... Not me... I've been on the boards since near the beginning. I never had a kudos page, but plenty of folks here can vouch for me. I've made many purchases over the years. Sold a ton through Bob Storms. Bought and sold via eBay as "mlovest"... 100% feedback.
Also, love to see you get true NM copies for $3-5 on Craigslist or eBay. Many will be junk with spine dings and worse. Many likely not even bagged and boarded. Buy 100 and keep a handful...
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On 12/1/2023 at 3:05 AM, Ken Aldred said:
I’m also always a bit dubious and cautious when large quantities of books are all graded exactly the same, 200 issues here.
To me, it suggests books which have a range of obvious defects which keep them out of the NM stratosphere, but actually could be anything VF or possibly much less. No good at specific grading, or can’t be bothered to be that meticulous.
Depends upon how the collection was put together. My collection was put together over several decades. Meticulous searching of boxes (at stores and shows), eBay, forum buys, Storms, Reece, Sulipa, others. I only purchase high-grade comics, except for some not NM key Marvels, which I no longer have. One of the reasons I stopped collecting is how expensive early ASMs were getting. I simply can't justify $Ks for key comics with a wife and three kids. I generally only read re-print book versions of older comics (Marvel Masterworks or simialr), and my NM purchases went right into Mylite-2s with half- or full-backs.
Books I've sent in for CGC grading have generally done very well, with average grades of my NMs closer to 9.5 (ave). Always a miss here or there, but also a good number of home runs in the 9.8 range. Never had a 9.9... My two best were two eBay purchases...ASM 42 shipped in a manila envelope and came back 9.6 W, and an ASM Annual 4, back 9.8 W. Both auction wins as NM copies...long time ago.
- Ken Aldred and BA773
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I used to buy from Mile High regularly in the mid 90's. When I lived in Colorado Springs, they had a satellite store in the Springs. I would have the local rep bring down a big stack of comics from the mothership in Denver from my then large want list of ASMs, SSMs, MTU, etc. Then, I would cherry pick only the true NM copies, and he would give me a big 50% or so discount. Nothing awesome, but mostly fairly common stuff, all Marvels. I would get a pretty good deal because I could pick only NM books. Their grading is always off, and they would argue they have too many books to properly grade them. I never met Chuck, but I did go to the big Denver shop a couple of times.
Haven't purchased anything from them in years, as their raws are or were so over graded.
- stormflora and ThothAmon
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On 11/28/2023 at 4:25 PM, shadroch said:
I have not bought a comic off ebay in a decade or so. There are dozens of comic auctions every week, and most don't attract too many eyes. I don't want to argue over this, and I wish you the very best with your sale. Perhaps you'll find a young star with new money and a love of Spider-Man.
Thank you, sir! Since you've been here for a month longer than me, I will relent. Thank you for your inputs!
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On 11/28/2023 at 3:08 PM, shadroch said:
How many people will walk into a comic shop this week nationwide looking for a 9.6ish raw Web of Spiderman 39?
One problem with your collection is there is nothing the buyer can quickly flip to recoup some of his money. I can buy most non-key Spidey issues from 225 to 400 for $3-$5 at auctions any week. The issues in the 400s are tough, and don't come up as often as the earlier issues. I don't deal with moderns so I don't know the market, but I'm thinking you'll get between $5,000 and $7500 if you are lucky. I hope I'm wrong.
You can find NM ASMs in auction for $3-5 on eBay? Then spend $5-10 for postage...plus deal with all the over-graded ? I'm not an unknown seller on the internet, which is why I was looking for someone in the LA area. I would expect a local to actually look over the books in person. I've been a serious collector for decades, and a reputable dealer would not sell ASMs in NM or higher condition for $3-5 from 225 to 400. You can find these ASMs below NM for more on multiple high-rep dealer websites...High Grade, Doug Sulipa, Dale Roberts, Superworld, etc.
True, not many seeking a WoS 39 in NM.
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To be clear, I am NOT asking for or expecting to get guide for my collection, and I know that's not going to happen. Stormflora asked for FMV, so I added what CovrPrice calculates for the full set. All I said above is I'm not going to sell for pennies on the dollar, and I am not is that sort of a hurry. I'm not selling because I need the money today, but I'm moving on from comics to focus on my family and other hobbies. I loved collecting for decades, and I will always have warm memories of comics from my youth through most of my life.
I have sold hundreds of high-grades graded comics to date, some through dealers and some on my own. I actually did pretty good selling statues online via eBay...much better than I originally thought. I know it's hard work. I also know no one is going to knock on my door with a bucket of cash to pay guide for these books.
I appreciate the inputs, and I did get some contacts from folks in the LA area. In the future, I will probably blow some of these books out at good prices. Keep your eyes peeled!
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On 11/28/2023 at 8:38 AM, 1Cool said:
Good points but selling here on the boards is probably your best bet since most buyers on E-Bay will not really care if the books at 9.0 / 9.2 or 9.4 / 9.6 when it comes to the prices they will pay. There is so much drek in that set of WoS that most dealers wouldn't touch a set for probably more than $150 even if they were absolute perfect. A high grade comic buyer on the boards could get closer to the full $300 - $400 value if they are 9.4 / 9.6 with mylites (if they need all 126 issues) but most e-bay buyers just are not that choosy and you have to account for the dealer typically wants to at least double the price they paid. It usually comes down to how much work you want to put into it before you blow out the common sets (especially if you are selling the keys separately).
Roger that on the eBay selling. I will say I have found many gems on eBay over the years, but the number of schemers thee just continues to rise. Never forget a preacher's son I connected with on eBay. He ended up selling me dozens of super high-grade '70s/'80s semi-key Marvels. I paid close to guide at the time, and many graded out at 9.6/9.8 when submitted years ago. Made me happy, and the guy was really happy with what I paid him. I will probably need to bring some of these to the boards.
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On 11/28/2023 at 6:22 AM, 1Cool said:
Here is a good exercise in terms of setting your expectation to a reasonable level. You have a near complete set of Web of Spiderman which retail for about $300 for the set. Look at what price the app puts on the set to see how inflated the app is compared to real world. You will also have to take a big hair cut if you want to sell your collection to a dealer (especially the non key books). So if the Web of Spiderman set is $300 in retail then you will probably get offers of $150 for that set if they are very nice high grade books. If the app gave you a price of $1,000 for the set then you know you will have to divide the price by 6 (or about $7,000 for the collection) to come close to a realistic price. Based on your list you posted I don't see $7,000 worth of books in that type of collection but you may be able to generate that kind of money if you do a lot of the leg work and sell directly to people. Good luck with the sale and let us know how it goes since it's always eye opening when trying to sell books compared to buying them.
Quick check of eBay has a number of WoS sets that are nearly complete for sale around $300, as you noted. However, they are not hand-picked, in Mylars and half-backs, and they are clearly not in NM condition. All I saw were pictures of piles of raw books claimed to be NM or "mostly" VF/NM condition. And I am definitely not trying to get full CovrPrive ap price for these books. CovrPrice appears to be well under guide price with its 9.2 highest grade for raws.
CovrPrice lists my almost compete WoS set at $789 for the 126-comic partial set. No one on these boards would sell a truly NM set of 126 WoS comics in Mylites/half-backs for $150. I get your point I am likely going to have to split my collection up, but I was hoping I could find someone who would want a large part(s) or the whole thing in the LA area. What's the cost of the Mylars and half-backs alone for 126 comics?
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On 11/27/2023 at 7:36 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:
I noticed your handle as an old boardie, and I don't want to read between lines as I'm not too sure the details of the app in 9.4?
Costs to grade have gone up about 2 thirds in the past 5 years, the c9st of only grading even the cheapest of moderns (older books are more) at 1822 times $25 per book is like $45000 in itself, so I assume this 42000 is the price of raws.
When buying in bulk I've heard less than $3 to$5 a piece all the way to $50 a longbox, which can hold about 100-150 books. Imo or from what I remember.
Even $10 a book would only be 18,220, for 1822 books, which itself is a far cry from $42000.
With that said the app could actually mean slabbed cgc 9.4, and if that's the case? At the current cost to grade they'd be losing money in raw times two if they wanted to then slab by spending an additional $$45000?
The math doesn't substantiate, but that's my opinion.
And yes, I have been on these boards since just about the beginning! Awesome place to find great books and learn a ton from other collectors like yourself.
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On 11/27/2023 at 7:36 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:
I noticed your handle as an old boardie, and I don't want to read between lines as I'm not too sure the details of the app in 9.4?
Costs to grade have gone up about 2 thirds in the past 5 years, the c9st of only grading even the cheapest of moderns (older books are more) at 1822 times $25 per book is like $45000 in itself, so I assume this 42000 is the price of raws.
When buying in bulk I've heard less than $3 to$5 a piece all the way to $50 a longbox, which can hold about 100-150 books. Imo or from what I remember.
Even $10 a book would only be 18,220, for 1822 books, which itself is a far cry from $42000.
With that said the app could actually mean slabbed cgc 9.4, and if that's the case? At the current cost to grade they'd be losing money in raw times two if they wanted to then slab by spending an additional $$45000?
The math doesn't substantiate, but that's my opinion.
I understand your comments. I realize selling modern drek is pennies on the dollar. Some of my books would go in a dollar box; however, NM ASMs, MTUs, lower Conans, etc., are not dollar box comics. Collectorz allows you to input your comics as graded or raw, and their prices are via CovrPrice, which is conservative and prices as graded or raw. Again, mine are all raw. I'm sure no one on here would sell ASMs from 200-500 and higher for pennies on the dollar in NM and higher condition. I spent 35 years pulling this collection together, and I've always been very picky. My earlier ASM raws often graded at 9.6s and 9.8s (121, 122, 129, 300, etc.). Pull out a price guide and see the prices for 9.2 ASMs...these are not for graded books.
For a Spider-Man collector, I never wanted to get most of the copies graded as it takes up too much space. In the collection, I've got around 650 ASMs between 200-700 with many of the variants, and that would be crazy expensive to grade, plus all of the time involved. They would also fill a small room if graded...
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On 11/26/2023 at 8:50 PM, mlovest said:
I'm working up a number. I still have to load the total collection into Comic Collector, which uses relatively conservative pricing for raw books. Much lower than even 9.2s from the Price Guide.
Collectorz (using CovrPrice) pegs it at $42,000, all input as 9.4 raw. Most of this is obviously in the ASMs. There are 653 separate AMS issues, plus another 20 or so annuals. 1,822 separate comics.
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I would love to find a collector or two that love Spidey! The ASMs are such great books. Love to find them a happy home(s).
It was easy to sell the CGC ASMs from 10 on up. Seems like the market has been cooling... Hard to resist the lower ASMs...
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Thank you, Matt. That helps.
V/R, Mike