Lightning55

Whether you swap the labels or the whole comic, you lose the 9.8 label in your Frankencomic when it sells. You keep the crappy label, or just destroy the evidence. Either way, you have to resubmit the pulled actual 9.8 comic and hope it regrades 9.8 to continue the loop.

Been mentioned a few times, lagging behind in the merit of possibilities, just ahead of inserting complete counterfeits.

Thank you for the summation. I recognized the name in the thread title as someone I had sold a dozen Marvel Masterworks to. To see his name associated with some type of shady topic piqued my curiosity.

Forgot to add that insurance is much cheaper with Registered, because of the way it is handled. For that reason, many times it is cheaper to send a high value item by Registered with insurance than it is to send Priority or any other method with the same amount of insurance. They're all expensive, so when I say cheaper, it's a relative term.

Wow. If that's a "scam", this thread is the crime of the century.

With Registered, it is kept out of the regular mail stream, with a chain of custody under lock and key. As for the pre-printed label, you will not be able to add services to it at the counter.

Thanks for the link. I had already found it on Google, and skimmed the first few pages and last couple of pages. Couldn't get the gist from that and didn't want to read 249 pages. Been there (this thread), done that. Was it just about bad pressing? Anyone got something more specific?

Could some knowledgeable person please sum up the Cole Schave Scam in a few sentences?

I think everyone but you recognized this as a joke. A lump of coal for you.

Big companies like eBay don't usually carry insurance . They self-insure because they are large enough to absorb whatever hits come along. They know an insurance company is going to charge premiums larger than they intend to pay out, since they have to make a profit. So it's cheaper to just cover your own incidents. I was a McDonald's manager for 10 years. No insurance. Much cheaper for the corporation to pay claims as they happened than to pay premiums annually for 40,000 individual restaurants. Way cheaper.

You were one of the buyers. There was, as I mentioned, a screencap of an offer on an ASM 300. But if you saw it on the label on the box, that not only trumps everything, it confirms it.

This has been explained over and over throughout the years. CGC gives the book a grade. It's not a full appraisal, like you might get on your house. The grader notes are primarily for internal use, grader to grader. They are not an all-inclusive list of defects or attributes. Usually you won't see any notes unless below 9.6. I've gotten 8.5's with no notes.

If you mean to buy raw copies, not slabs, you are correct. If you mean "Buy the book, not the grade.", problem not solved. You can look all you want at that Hulk 181 in the slab, and decide that the grade looks appropriate. But you're buying a comic with no MVS. So maybe we still have a problem.

Nothing gets a sub number until it lands at CGC and they input the packing slip.

It's been brought up, and shot down. Only recently have their been images available, and even then, the scammed reholder is probably showing the current book it is holding in the image, not the original one that was removed. So only false comfort there. Grading notes for 9.8's - good luck finding such an animal.

There is a screencap earlier where the buyer is communicating with briva, addressing him or her as Brees, and getting a response. Could be a typo though, as in Brie or Bree.

This is not the case. When you complete the submission form online, you get a packing slip # that looks like CGC############. The submission is not assigned a number until CGC receives the package, opens it, inputs the submission, and loads it onto your dashboard. At that time, each comic in the submission receives a cert # starting with the submission # and then appending 001, 002, etc. But definitely this is not a true FIFO system. If you submit a sub for pressing and grading, you get a submission number. Right after that, your Walk-thru sub gets the next higher number. Your first sub has 2 tat's affecting the return timeline, pressing and grading. The Walk-thru could be back to you and up for sale within 2 weeks. Depending on tier, you could be waiting a year for your earlier sub to ship. Especially during the jam up of 2021-2022.

I don't believe a "moderator" has made single comment in this thread to date. At least no official CGC moderator has. Might have been some self-appointed moderator. I must have skipped a page.

Then why is the AI stuff back here? Not enough eyes on it in its own thread? Just the 2 or 3 interested parties rehashing the subject, no audience? It's such a distant topic from this one.

I thought we got rid of this subject a while back and sent it to another thread (that got locked).

Getting harder to tell them apart. Actually, just over 8 billion humans on the planet. I wonder what year it was that we overtook the rat count. Certainly they must have had the lead for a long time.

Definitely Stock In Trade. Common error. Like the one a few pages back referring to artwork "providence". It is provenance, a documented or oral history, or lineage. Providence means good fortune.

We've all "concluded" that he removed the original 9.8. But if he was able to cleanly remove the label only from the original legit 9.8, and substitute it for the scam comic's label in that slab, he would now have the legit label with the scam comic. Same as swapping the inner wells. The labels are right at the top, easier to get to. The plastic outer holders are probably identical, so impossible to say which inner parts went where. Maybe all 3 parts have to have the cert# lasered on. Like cars have VINs in several key places, some locations known only to the manufacturer and law enforcement. And reholders get all new numbers, with a reference on the registry page to the retired number, for a paper trail.

I don't think that CGC ever stated that they open inner wells to reholder. Someone posted the blurb from the website earlier, maybe twice. It only talks about the grade not changing if there is no obvious reason for it to change. Nothing about the process.

You've "heard"? They have had pressing available for maybe 20 years! Nothing slips past you.