UncleBEN

Remember when CGC denoted major defects on the label?

Josh is the same dealer that sold me a very expensive book sight unseen with a rusty staples note, this was my fault for not asking about any notes at the time,I suppose but shady on the other hand to not disclose.

When pressed on receipt and wanting to return it said" It won't progress any further in the case"

That was my last deal with them many years ago

On 3/5/2020 at 1:48 PM, Batmanis#1 said:

CGC 7.0 with cream to off-white pages and Paid stamp on cover sold for what I though it would go for $81 000.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superhero/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-fn-vf-70-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7224-92113.s

Watch for this book to resurface in a new holder with OW-W pages and at least a 7.5.

Buyer got a smoking deal on this book.

5 hours ago, Jordysnordy said:

There is a very nice 5 9.2 in the current CL auction.

Thank you I saw it , typically their auctions go pretty high and with the current uptick on this issue I am worried it will be a gap hard to fill.

Not loving the miscut on it either, its funny when you I am at my last few needed to complete my run how unbelievably picky I am .

And to think I passed on a 9.4 last year for 15k, seems like a deal now

I love me some early ASM'S....couple issues I am having a hard time filling in my run in high grade are 5 and 6 without chipping or pre chipping.

Both issues are plagued with it, and it seems in my experience that CGC does not down grade very much if at all for pre marvel chipping.

Ice has a nice 5 9.2 that I would snag in an instant if I could be sure it did not have chipping. After MUCH back and forth they seem to be unable or unwilling to clarify if the said book has it.

Initially they told me that it had a 9.6 edge and no chipping.  But after looking at the images far too many times I wasn't convinced so asked for more scans, and the grader notes.

Although again in my experience CGC does not denote chipping for whatever reason .(Anyone know why this is?? Not a down gradable defect? Huh?? ) 

Their pictures while colorful (lacking an appropriate adjective here) on their website are not crisp enough to zoom in for any closer details. They apparently do not have a s can ner and the pics they provided were either conveniently blurry on the areas I requested and even circled the suspected affected areas via markup , or simply not close up enough , although other quadrant pics were? ) They have been extremely responsive and very friendly but it all seems "fishy" for the lack of a better term.

With 9.4's few and far between and now setting record GPA'S I think I will have to settle for a 9.0 or 9.2 , and would in a heartbeat but I would love another opinion if it is chipped or not.

Scans attached please let me know what you think? I hate being such a PITA but it's a lot of coin and while chipping may be acceptable for some it is a deal breaker for me.

This is not a complaint by any means for these guys just a lifeline to my fellow forum members with better and perhaps younger eyes than I , its a large purchase for me so any assistance and opinionswould be greaty appreciated.

Thank you ,

M 

Some correspondence from start to end, thoughts?

And the last email:

CT removal masked as wear?

https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=859966

CGC shipped the other book overnight today at apparently their cost . Seems to me if should have shipped before the encapsulated book and still do not I understand why they didn’t ship them together as both were ready . But they made that part right .

Still no communication in regards to the damaged graded  book , the marred images and the scratched holder or why they charged a CGC MEMBER for grading notes ?

Just one of many times the billing has been off . Watch out for the lower dollar adders is all I can say , the right hand is not talking to the left to say the least at CGC.
 

2 and a half months for two Express submissions , damaged books , holders , MIA subs and no cust service . 
 

If this was any other company doing this to their customer base I don’t think they would be around very long or they would find themselves facing a class action suit .

Honestly I am pretty easy going and hate drama , so they will likely get away with it . 
 

I miss 2000 , when they were hungry !

So here is an interesting update on my most recent submission 

2 books submitted Aug 28th keep in mind these are both Express Submissions both ways (CCS and CGC)

CCS receives 9-16-19

Gets to CGC 10-8-19

Both Prescreened 

One is upgradeable the other is not despite the only primary defect being a back cover wrinkle ( Scans coming if I ever get it back,really thought it would jump at least 2 grades)

Okay I say press the one, other labeled do not encapsulate

CGC imaging sends scans 10-10-19 NO reply to numerous emails and contacts through online contact us form..Case has a huge scuff in the images

Send Donell at imaging a direct email asking why is the case scuffed, no reply

Books sit until 11-4-19??

Received yesterday ONE book out of the TWO

Holder is scratched ,  no HUGE scuff (reholdered?)  , and book has deep color breaking stresses on the spine that were not present prior to submission 

Call CCG today , Chris says dunno where the other book is, our guys will look into it.

Look at my billing statement and it is $195 for one book ($60 for Overnight, so $135 for grading)

Call Accounting, ask why $135? They aren't sure, go through the billing and says that grader notes cost me $30 , huh?? For real?? I can buy them on the site for $15? Aren't notes part of the submission process? This is new he says , not sure of his name, nice guy though

I ask what about the MISSING book? 

Says not sure why we didn't ship that overnight with the other, we will look into it. Should be updated today

11:22 PM now, still shows DO NOT ENCAPSULATE 

No replies to any emails , no response from CGC in regards to the MISSING book

I know this is a lengthy message but if anyone read it all the way through perhaps my fellow forum members can assist me with this?

I am not independently wealthy and giving CGC a 1k+ book and getting another similar book damage in the process really hurts my collection 

Thanks in advance for lending me your ears and any advise is greatly appreciated

Grading delays, but plenty of time to create and market new labels that will make many reholder ......

This is a 9.2???

How is this a 9.6?

And another....

15 minutes ago, spreads said:

I think reimbursing people would be top-notch quality service, but how realistic is that?  How many retail companies hand out freebies or steep discounts to poor service - few to none.  I don't think taking a few extra business days is a clear underhanded way to be scummy (their operations could be a bit better), I think we need to really take the published times on their service with a grain of salt.  What would CGC do if they removed the estimated times?  Would people stop submitting?  No, probably not.  We would be forced to go by anecdotal evidence such as this thread for guidelines which would be even more inaccurate.  

At the end of the day, people can submit wherever they want - but if your goal is maximizing resale - which is the primary reason for submitting for most - then it's better to just take a few lousy experiences with the good.  Stopping your feet on the ground and going to another provider (CBCS) is only hurting you.  And what happens if you sell a CBCS book that's a good 30% lower than it's CGC equivalent?  That buyer might just flip it straight to CGC from cross-over service....

If you know of any high grade SA ASM'S that are CBCS graded for 30 % lower than CGC please let me know, I would happily buy them all at that price.

On 10/17/2019 at 8:59 AM, MustEatBrains said:

Seems all my submissions just disappeared from the tracking screen entirely at some point.  They were there a few days ago now nada.  This happening for anyone else?

I hope your not trying to get a 9.9 out of the ASM 300 I sold you If it happens don't tell me! :P 

On 10/5/2019 at 6:20 AM, spreads said:

Have you tried calling them?

I wouldn't be using any other company to grade than CGC, it's pretty clear that the market has determined what graded books are worth more.  Everyone says, well I have no intention to sell - but the truth is everyone (or their beneficiaries) will have to sell at some point.  

Books finally went too imaging and are now sitting in QC for the last 8 days. This makes roughly 3 months on an Express submission

I will NOT be using this service for awhile , any books that I am looking at selling will go to CBCS , as even if there is a loss in margin the time will make up for itself no question.

Very disappointed in the lack of any customer service or CGC caring at all about contacting me, or sticking to their advertised lead times by any measure.

6 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Yes, I think it covers books coming in (to the collection) the same as going out.

As long as they are not sold.

Quite the press on the ASM 27 9.8 , from a 9.6.

Wonder what that will sell for?

Makes me wonder how many of these flips are internal purchases, pretty hard to assess a NM+ press into a NM/MT from only a front cover scan

14 hours ago, Kevin76 said:

Yeah cause that "Other company" has much better turnaround times I guess 

Well presently its a 10 day turn for grading, no newton rings , or SCS issues with their inner well and free grading notes. Also they respond to my emails, so seems like a feasible alternative

3 hours ago, spreads said:

What book?

I sent a book to CGC/CCS, received on the 19th.  The book was pressed at CCS and CGC received the book on the 30th.  Today (or yesterday) the CGC status changed from received to SFG, so it looks like the time it took to be graded express will be (or a little more) the 5 days listed on the site....i'll keep you posted.

 A very nice early ASM , CCS received 8-16-19, to CGC 8-28-19 , STILL sitting received as of today. NO communication or movement for an EXPRESS submission.

I will be using another service moving forward I am pretty well done with this company.

23 hours ago, peewee22 said:

Gorgeous for the grade.

Can't see a bump with the water stain though, I think your capped out at VG 

Have an Express submission sitting at received 8-28 

This is ridiculous

32 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

kj, you know you've been wondering "why doesn't straw do the spidey post-a-pair-a-day like he's done with the torchy s. tales run and the second best marvel title?"   well, wonder no more...

Is that CT removal in the green? Just curious as I have never seen that "flaking" before on the spine and in the banner?

Beautiful books, you have quite the pair ...  

1 hour ago, joeypost said:

Normally I would have an opinion, but since they are Patrick’s books and I am a lowly restorer, err presser I will keep all of my opinions to myself. 

Was referring to mine in the above post 

On 9/10/2019 at 6:28 AM, pickycollector said:

New acquisitions, hard to find these unpressed today and with nice centering so very happy with my purchases.

The #101 is particularly nice for its given grade. I was looking for several years to get a copy with good wrap i.e. full stamp, etc.

The #110 would probably get a paper quality upgrade to OW with a straight resub, great centering on that one too.

Two more books saved from the restorers pressers! 

 

Nice 110, the BRC always seems to be the area a crease settles in at least in my experience. One I might press, but unlikely grade bump. @joeypost ?

58 minutes ago, LDarkseid1 said:

Wow, I wonder who owns the single and only CGC 9.9 of ASM #19, which appears to be the only 9.9 for the most part of the early ASM's.

Terry's comics brought it to market around 2000 as a 9.9 from a stash of high grades he had, I think it's changed hands a couple times since 2000 when it was graded. Lastly being sold on ComicLink sa far as I know

I held it in my hands at SDCC in 2000 and it is a stunner. Colors unlike any other 19's to say the least 

However 30+K for a 9.9?  Not for me personally , I think those funds are much better spent elsewhere personally.

57 minutes ago, mosconi said:

Don't know who's collection this is, put pretty sick when his ASM #3 CGC 9.4 Twin Cities copy is one of the "low grade" issues in the collection  

Don't like the wrap on it, was offered on the market this year for 35k however, wouldn't surprise me if it broke that with the way that issues has been going.

Just repeat after me there is no 11, there is no 11 :P